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Dec 20, 2012 12:46:09 GMT -5
Post by Voodoochile on Dec 20, 2012 12:46:09 GMT -5
For the most part only law abiding citizens adhere to any gun control measures. The criminals are not going to give up their guns because of stricter laws. They are criminals.
Why disarm law abiding citizens?
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Dec 20, 2012 12:49:57 GMT -5
Post by Mikey33 on Dec 20, 2012 12:49:57 GMT -5
Not only that, and this is not a supportive argument other than common sense - but the ATF, military, and most police departments have stated that if instructed to remove firearms from law abiding citizens they would not comply as they feel it would be unconstitutional and too dangerous.
Think we have a lot of gun violence now - try taking them away. It would start a civil war.
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Dec 20, 2012 12:52:49 GMT -5
Post by flats on Dec 20, 2012 12:52:49 GMT -5
The federal government can't even keep drugs out of federal prisons They do a pretty good job of keeping guns out of prisoners' hands.
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Dec 20, 2012 12:53:45 GMT -5
Post by Voodoochile on Dec 20, 2012 12:53:45 GMT -5
The federal government can't even keep drugs out of federal prisons They do a pretty good job of keeping guns out of prisoners' hands. And I'm not a prisoner so don't expect me to give up my right.
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Dec 20, 2012 12:55:32 GMT -5
Post by flats on Dec 20, 2012 12:55:32 GMT -5
For the most part only law abiding citizens adhere to any gun control measures. The criminals are not going to give up their guns because of stricter laws. They are criminals. Why disarm law abiding citizens? They're all law abiding, until they aren't.
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Dec 20, 2012 13:00:40 GMT -5
Post by flats on Dec 20, 2012 13:00:40 GMT -5
And I'm not a prisoner so don't expect me to give up my right. Your right to plays with guns is more important than Sandy Hook parents' right to send their kids to school and expect them to be safe? Going to the range is fun. Rank how fun it is on a scale from 1-10. Those parents opening a closet and coming across hidden Christmas presents for their dead child isn't fun. Rank how not-fun it is on a scale of 1-10. Which wins?
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Dec 20, 2012 13:03:12 GMT -5
Post by Mikey33 on Dec 20, 2012 13:03:12 GMT -5
Flats we could play the same game with cars and you don't even have a right to have one.
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Dec 20, 2012 13:08:18 GMT -5
Post by bobbymo on Dec 20, 2012 13:08:18 GMT -5
And I'm not a prisoner so don't expect me to give up my right. Your right to plays with guns is more important than Sandy Hook parents' right to send their kids to school and expect them to be safe? Going to the range is fun. Rank how fun it is on a scale from 1-10. Those parents opening a closet and coming across hidden Christmas presents for their dead child isn't fun. Rank how not-fun it is on a scale of 1-10. Which wins? Great straw man argument you have going on here, Flats. Suggest you take a break from Piers Morgan's twitter feed.
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Dec 20, 2012 13:09:43 GMT -5
Post by bobbymo on Dec 20, 2012 13:09:43 GMT -5
And Tommy, you should purchase your guns in the following order: - 9mm concealment gun - .45 home protection gun - AR-15 style rifle
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Dec 20, 2012 13:10:21 GMT -5
Post by TommyDee on Dec 20, 2012 13:10:21 GMT -5
by chance do you have a two story home? If you can stand at the top of the stairs and do it, should be more than enough to scare 99% of intruders out. My house has 5 levels including the basement.
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Dec 20, 2012 13:12:26 GMT -5
Post by bobbymo on Dec 20, 2012 13:12:26 GMT -5
by chance do you have a two story home? If you can stand at the top of the stairs and do it, should be more than enough to scare 99% of intruders out. My house has 5 levels including the basement. Javvy points awarded!!!
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Dec 20, 2012 13:15:53 GMT -5
Post by Mikey33 on Dec 20, 2012 13:15:53 GMT -5
And I'm not a prisoner so don't expect me to give up my right. Your right to plays with guns is more important than Sandy Hook parents' right to send their kids to school and expect them to be safe? Going to the range is fun. Rank how fun it is on a scale from 1-10. Those parents opening a closet and coming across hidden Christmas presents for their dead child isn't fun. Rank how not-fun it is on a scale of 1-10. Which wins? Rights aren't ranked Flats. It's a tragedy - no one is discounting that. I think everyone would be on board with keeping guns out of the hands of criminals and the mentally ill but not at the cost of keeping them out of everyone's.
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Dec 20, 2012 13:27:24 GMT -5
Post by Mikey33 on Dec 20, 2012 13:27:24 GMT -5
Piers Morgan is an asshole by the way - he alluded to being happy about the shooting in CT because he believes it will bring about changes.
That assbag should go back to where he came from
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Dec 20, 2012 13:47:56 GMT -5
Post by flats on Dec 20, 2012 13:47:56 GMT -5
I think everyone would be on board with keeping guns out of the hands of criminals and the mentally ill but not at the cost of keeping them out of everyone's. So what changes would you be on board with to help bring that objective about? How would you make it harder for those groups to obtain weapons?
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Dec 20, 2012 13:48:22 GMT -5
Post by flats on Dec 20, 2012 13:48:22 GMT -5
Piers Morgan is an asshole by the way +1
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Dec 20, 2012 13:57:42 GMT -5
Post by Voodoochile on Dec 20, 2012 13:57:42 GMT -5
And I'm not a prisoner so don't expect me to give up my right. Your right to plays with guns is more important than Sandy Hook parents' right to send their kids to school and expect them to be safe? Going to the range is fun. Rank how fun it is on a scale from 1-10. Those parents opening a closet and coming across hidden Christmas presents for their dead child isn't fun. Rank how not-fun it is on a scale of 1-10. Which wins? WTF does this even mean flats? I legally posses firearms for protection and sport. Those poor kids were massacred by a madman with stolen firearms.
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Dec 20, 2012 14:05:55 GMT -5
Post by flats on Dec 20, 2012 14:05:55 GMT -5
Flats we could play the same game with cars and you don't even have a right to have one. C'mon man. Cars aren't designed to kill people. They are transportation machines. When someone dies by car, we call that an "accident." Guns are people killing machines. When a gun kills someone, it is doing precisely what is was made to do. Some are designed so as to kill LOTS of people. But of course, that's not what gun nuts want them for. Heavens no. They just want guns to look at, and will keep them locked up in a safe and never actually use them. They promise. Except once a week or so one of these gun nuts decides "Oh, fuck it - sounds fun" and actually does use his people killing machine to go out and kill a lot of people (!). Then all the other guns nuts promise us that the way to solve the problem is to let them carry their people killing machines around with them at all times and under any circumstances, because what is safest for everyone is to just turn this entire country into one big gun nut wet dream paintball course Thunderdome.
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Dec 20, 2012 14:08:16 GMT -5
Post by flats on Dec 20, 2012 14:08:16 GMT -5
I legally posses firearms for protection and sport. And so did Nancy Lanza.
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Dec 20, 2012 14:12:09 GMT -5
Post by Voodoochile on Dec 20, 2012 14:12:09 GMT -5
I legally posses firearms for protection and sport. And so did Nancy Lanza. And? What if someone steals your car flats and decides they want to mow down a bunch of kids at the park?
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Dec 20, 2012 14:13:01 GMT -5
Post by Voodoochile on Dec 20, 2012 14:13:01 GMT -5
Flats we could play the same game with cars and you don't even have a right to have one. C'mon man. Cars aren't designed to kill people. They are transportation machines. When someone dies by car, we call that an "accident." Guns are people killing machines. When a gun kills someone, it is doing precisely what is was made to do. Some are designed so as to kill LOTS of people. But of course, that's not what gun nuts want them for. Heavens no. They just want guns to look at, and will keep them locked up in a safe and never actually use them. They promise. Except once a week or so one of these gun nuts decides "Oh, fuck it - sounds fun" and actually does use his people killing machine to go out and kill a lot of people (!). Then all the other guns nuts promise us that the way to solve the problem is to let them carry their people killing machines around with them at all times and under any circumstances, because what is safest for everyone is to just turn this entire country into one big gun nut wet dream paintball course Thunderdome. Talk about brain washed.
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Dec 20, 2012 14:13:47 GMT -5
Post by bobbymo on Dec 20, 2012 14:13:47 GMT -5
What if someone breaks into my toolbox and decides to go on a hammering rampage? Then what? Hammer control?
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Dec 20, 2012 14:15:07 GMT -5
Post by Voodoochile on Dec 20, 2012 14:15:07 GMT -5
Hammer Time!
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Dec 20, 2012 14:17:28 GMT -5
Post by Mikey33 on Dec 20, 2012 14:17:28 GMT -5
I think everyone would be on board with keeping guns out of the hands of criminals and the mentally ill but not at the cost of keeping them out of everyone's. So what changes would you be on board with to help bring that objective about? How would you make it harder for those groups to obtain weapons? To reduce crime: A few years ago Virginia participated in an experimental program where committing a crime with a gun was an automatic federal crime that saw a very nice drop in violent crime. I think that should be instituted nationwide. To reduce accidents I think if people have children and purchase a gun, they and the kids should be required to take a safety course. To reduce these types of massacres: I want to see an investigation and it made more difficult to put children on psychiatric meds. I want it to be illegal for teachers to suggest to parents that kids get medicated (know too many people who had the teacher suggest this - not even suggesting the kid see a therapist, but immediately go the medication route). I want to use either the national guard or veterans to used as security personnel in government buildings and if necessary schools.
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Dec 20, 2012 14:20:08 GMT -5
Post by bobbymo on Dec 20, 2012 14:20:08 GMT -5
At the minimum, every school should have an armed safety officer. Also, every 16-28 year old kid who enters the building should be looked upon with great scrutiny.
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Dec 20, 2012 14:43:17 GMT -5
Post by Mikey33 on Dec 20, 2012 14:43:17 GMT -5
which was the last of these gun nuts that actually legally owned the gun he used?
and before you say, that's why we want to get rid of all of them.
Honest answer - how long do you think it would take to get half the guns in the US back?
And how much blood will be shed in that process?
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