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Dec 20, 2012 11:18:02 GMT -5
Post by Voodoochile on Dec 20, 2012 11:18:02 GMT -5
There is a Texas school district that is going to allow teachers to conceal carry. I think that is what needs to happen.
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Dec 20, 2012 11:25:44 GMT -5
Post by flats on Dec 20, 2012 11:25:44 GMT -5
If everyone had AIDS no one would have to be afraid of catching AIDS. I think that is what needs to happen.
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Dec 20, 2012 11:34:45 GMT -5
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Dec 20, 2012 11:42:20 GMT -5
Post by TommyDee on Dec 20, 2012 11:42:20 GMT -5
There is a Texas school district that is going to allow teachers to conceal carry. I think that is what needs to happen. I agree that probably is the best answer. Only issue I can see is the instance where a fight starts, teacher tries to break it up, kid grabs gun, dead.
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Dec 20, 2012 11:42:27 GMT -5
Post by Mikey33 on Dec 20, 2012 11:42:27 GMT -5
I think that in the wake of this most recent shooting, the best answer is to allow for a higher level concealed permit. This would allow you to legally carry in schools and at your office. Best line I heard was they should station 3-4 vets per school, lightly armed. They're looking for work and we need to make schools safe - everyone wins
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Dec 20, 2012 11:43:19 GMT -5
Post by Mikey33 on Dec 20, 2012 11:43:19 GMT -5
Piers Morgan, who I can't stand, called someone an idiot for suggesting we arm teachers.
not sure why - we armed pilots after 9/11
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Dec 20, 2012 11:44:22 GMT -5
Post by TommyDee on Dec 20, 2012 11:44:22 GMT -5
I'm still thinking about a gun to protect my family.
The two options I think I have are:
Get a handgun with one of those boxes where it recognizes fingerprints.
Get a shotgun and keep it unloaded. The cock sound should do.
Keep in mind I have a 1.5 year old who gets into everything.
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Dec 20, 2012 11:48:51 GMT -5
Post by flats on Dec 20, 2012 11:48:51 GMT -5
Yeah - that's what was missing in Sandy Hook classrooms. Crossfire.
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Dec 20, 2012 11:56:50 GMT -5
Post by Voodoochile on Dec 20, 2012 11:56:50 GMT -5
Yeah - that's what was missing in Sandy Hook classrooms. Crossfire. At the first sign of resistance these cowards turn the gun on themselves. The Sandy Hook shooter did it when he heard sirens. If these cowards know there are people armed & trained with a firearm they more than likely will go to a McDonalds or Starbucks. As it is they are "gun free zones" so it's like fish in a barrel.
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Dec 20, 2012 11:59:47 GMT -5
Post by flats on Dec 20, 2012 11:59:47 GMT -5
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Dec 20, 2012 12:00:19 GMT -5
Post by Voodoochile on Dec 20, 2012 12:00:19 GMT -5
I'm still thinking about a gun to protect my family. The two options I think I have are: Get a handgun with one of those boxes where it recognizes fingerprints. Get a shotgun and keep it unloaded. The cock sound should do. Keep in mind I have a 1.5 year old who gets into everything. Keep in mind the sound of racking a shotgun is not really all that. It can freak somebody out to the point they shoot at any perceived movement or sound. Whatever you choose keep it locked up unless you have it on you. I keep a loaded shotgun in the closet. Locked up during the day unlocked at night. I keep a .40 cal with me at all times.
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Dec 20, 2012 12:05:24 GMT -5
Post by Voodoochile on Dec 20, 2012 12:05:24 GMT -5
Whatever. You want statistics? Go research how wonderful gun control measures are working for Chicago. Tommy whatever you decide I suggest getting some training for whichever firearm you get if you decide to get one.
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Dec 20, 2012 12:08:41 GMT -5
Post by Mikey33 on Dec 20, 2012 12:08:41 GMT -5
by chance do you have a two story home?
If you can stand at the top of the stairs and do it, should be more than enough to scare 99% of intruders out.
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Dec 20, 2012 12:09:13 GMT -5
Post by flats on Dec 20, 2012 12:09:13 GMT -5
At the first sign of resistance these cowards turn the gun on themselves. The Sandy Hook shooter did it when he heard sirens. So let the first sign of resistance occur when these assholes aren't allowed to get the weapon they want. Then the frustrated cowards will just have to make their "statement" by throwing themselves off a bridge, leaving the rest of us out of it.
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Dec 20, 2012 12:15:07 GMT -5
Post by flats on Dec 20, 2012 12:15:07 GMT -5
Go research how wonderful gun control measures are working for Chicago. You ever been to Chicago? Did you need a passport? You go through a customs checkpoint at the city limit? Were you searched? Did you "have anything to declare?" Or did you just drive past a little green sign saying "Welcome to Chicago?" A city can't control its borders like a nation. Chicago's gun laws are only as strong a the gun laws in Oshkosh, Kalamazoo, or Muncie.
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Dec 20, 2012 12:16:01 GMT -5
Post by Voodoochile on Dec 20, 2012 12:16:01 GMT -5
At the first sign of resistance these cowards turn the gun on themselves. The Sandy Hook shooter did it when he heard sirens. So let the first sign of resistance occur when these assholes aren't allowed to get the weapon they want. Then the frustrated cowards will just have to make their "statement" by throwing themselves off a bridge, leaving the rest of us out of it. Works for me. That is why there are laws in place. The CT shooter and the Clackamas shooters stole their weapons they used to carry out their crimes.
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Dec 20, 2012 12:17:49 GMT -5
Post by Voodoochile on Dec 20, 2012 12:17:49 GMT -5
Go research how wonderful gun control measures are working for Chicago. You ever been to Chicago? Did you need a passport? You go through a customs checkpoint at the city limit? Were you searched? Did you "have anything to declare?" Or did you just drive past a little green sign saying "Welcome to Chicago?" A city can't control its borders like a nation. Chicago's gun laws are only as strong a the gun laws in Oshkosh, Kalamazoo, or Muncie. You were talking statistics. Statistic have shown over and over again that tougher gun control does not work. It does the opposite.
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Dec 20, 2012 12:22:20 GMT -5
Post by Mikey33 on Dec 20, 2012 12:22:20 GMT -5
Flats have you been following the problems they have been having with the Fast and Furious program?
The government can't even stop the guns they are selling to Mexican cartels from being used in crimes
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Dec 20, 2012 12:26:07 GMT -5
Post by Voodoochile on Dec 20, 2012 12:26:07 GMT -5
Flats have you been following the problems they have been having with the Fast and Furious program? The government can't even stop the guns they are selling to Mexican cartels from being used in crimes The federal government can't even keep drugs out of federal prisons or stop inmates from killing each other. Something they have complete control over. How the hell can we expect the federal government to do shit.
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Dec 20, 2012 12:27:07 GMT -5
Post by Mikey33 on Dec 20, 2012 12:27:07 GMT -5
Gary Kleck's (sp?) research on gun control laws' ineffectiveness is pretty telling
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Dec 20, 2012 12:35:27 GMT -5
Post by flats on Dec 20, 2012 12:35:27 GMT -5
Statistic have shown over and over again that tougher gun control does not work. It does the opposite. You are misinformed. I don't know what stats you are looking at, but they are deeply flawed, and are being told to you by someone with a gun-selling agenda.
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Dec 20, 2012 12:35:39 GMT -5
Post by Voodoochile on Dec 20, 2012 12:35:39 GMT -5
All I can say is check out what your local 911 response times are. Are you cool with waiting however long it is with nothing to protect you and your family? What if it's a heavy night and where response times might normally be 2-3 minutes and it's now 10-15 minutes. I have a lot of faith in our LEO here. A lot but they will be the first to tell you, you should be prepared to protect yourself as well.
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Dec 20, 2012 12:36:28 GMT -5
Post by Voodoochile on Dec 20, 2012 12:36:28 GMT -5
Statistic have shown over and over again that tougher gun control does not work. It does the opposite. You are misinformed. I don't know what stats you are looking at, but they are deeply flawed, and are being told to you by someone with a gun-selling agenda. You are misinformed. I don't know what stats you are looking at, but they are deeply flawed, and are being told to you by someone with a anti-gun agenda.
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Dec 20, 2012 12:37:25 GMT -5
Post by Mikey33 on Dec 20, 2012 12:37:25 GMT -5
Statistic have shown over and over again that tougher gun control does not work. It does the opposite. You are misinformed. I don't know what stats you are looking at, but they are deeply flawed, and are being told to you by someone with a gun-selling agenda. I don't know - Flats they are peer reviewed studies with a lot of supporting data. You know the stat about a gun being more likely to be used against you? That includes cops having their firearms taken and used against them as well as criminals having their gun taken and used against them while attempting to commit a crime. If you take those away the likelihood is also gone.
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Dec 20, 2012 12:38:19 GMT -5
Post by Mikey33 on Dec 20, 2012 12:38:19 GMT -5
Flats - read Gary Kleck's reports - he's a criminology prof at FSU and previously a staunch gun control supporter - until he did the research himself.
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