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Dec 20, 2012 22:12:11 GMT -5
Post by Mikey33 on Dec 20, 2012 22:12:11 GMT -5
Well it hasn't quite happened yet. I don't see a storm that bad until 2a is fucked with. I got it immediately.
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Voodoochile
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Dec 20, 2012 22:26:26 GMT -5
Post by Voodoochile on Dec 20, 2012 22:26:26 GMT -5
Can I get the executive summary on 2a? Pretty simple actually. The founding Father's knew what they wanted. Unfortunately I don't think they would be happy the way their country turned out. Amendment II A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
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Dec 20, 2012 22:30:37 GMT -5
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Dec 21, 2012 10:37:31 GMT -5
Post by G&T on Dec 21, 2012 10:37:31 GMT -5
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Post by flats on Dec 21, 2012 15:03:41 GMT -5
They would need to either remove or amend 2A. Not happening. I know. I'm just talking about my preferences, not predictions.
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Dec 21, 2012 15:21:39 GMT -5
Post by Voodoochile on Dec 21, 2012 15:21:39 GMT -5
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Dec 21, 2012 17:10:48 GMT -5
Post by acejack on Dec 21, 2012 17:10:48 GMT -5
They would need to either remove or amend 2A. Not happening. I know. I'm just talking about my preferences, not predictions. Click on the Finder drop down and it's the second one down, under "About Finder".
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Dec 21, 2012 22:18:42 GMT -5
Post by brownsphenom on Dec 21, 2012 22:18:42 GMT -5
Flats should move to China where guns are outlawed. Oh shit wait, they just had a guy kill about 20 people with an axe at the entrance to a play ground. They have mass killings with knifes as much as we do with guns. Maybe they should outlaw bladed instruments (like Bobby's hammer example) . Guns are not the problem. And sorry Bobby but armed guards in the school are not the answer and impossible to implement. Guns are not the solution.
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Post by G&T on Dec 21, 2012 22:40:39 GMT -5
Flats should move to China where guns are outlawed. Oh shit wait, they just had a guy kill about 20 people with an axe at the entrance to a play ground. They have mass killings with knifes as much as we do with guns. Maybe they should outlaw bladed instruments (like Bobby's hammer example) . Guns are not the problem. And sorry Bobby but armed guards in the school are not the answer and impossible to implement. Guns are not the solution. Correct. Think Maj has shot up a school yet?
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Dec 22, 2012 0:39:16 GMT -5
Post by bobbymo on Dec 22, 2012 0:39:16 GMT -5
Flats should move to China where guns are outlawed. Oh shit wait, they just had a guy kill about 20 people with an axe at the entrance to a play ground. They have mass killings with knifes as much as we do with guns. Maybe they should outlaw bladed instruments (like Bobby's hammer example) . Guns are not the problem. And sorry Bobby but armed guards in the school are not the answer and impossible to implement. Guns are not the solution. So hammers are the solution. I knew it!
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Dec 22, 2012 13:05:49 GMT -5
Post by caryncbrownsbacker on Dec 22, 2012 13:05:49 GMT -5
Pop quiz hotshots. Is this an assault rifle? No. It's a Semi-Automatic. Which means you have to pull the trigger instead of just holding the trigger like a rapid fire ASSAULT weapon. Dumb asses call it and all semi automatic weapons ASSAULT ... because that is what their ignorant media teach them.
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Post by Voodoochile on Dec 22, 2012 13:58:49 GMT -5
Correct!
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Dec 22, 2012 14:57:38 GMT -5
Post by caryncbrownsbacker on Dec 22, 2012 14:57:38 GMT -5
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Post by Voodoochile on Dec 22, 2012 15:22:48 GMT -5
Well the way they are talking about new gun control measures I'm sure they will be introducing one round magazines. I'll get you one.
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Dec 22, 2012 15:42:07 GMT -5
Post by acejack on Dec 22, 2012 15:42:07 GMT -5
Anyone turned on CNN lately? It's brilliant. Every night it's Piers Morgan shouting at Second Amendment supporters for an hour, then Anderson Cooper spends his show interviewing the parents of dead children. The whole time at the bottom there's these little plums coming in on Twitter, stuff like: "I was a lifetime NRA member, but today I tore up my card and destroyed all of my guns. I could have sold them, but I'd hate to think they could eventually end up in the wrong hands." and "For years I defended the Second Amendment, but actions like what happened at Sandy Hook make me think it's time to re-open the discussion."
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Dec 22, 2012 15:49:23 GMT -5
Post by caryncbrownsbacker on Dec 22, 2012 15:49:23 GMT -5
Well the way they are talking about new gun control measures I'm sure they will be introducing one round magazines. I'll get you one. This is exactly why I LOVE my S&W 686P .357 Magnum ... it's a seven shot revolver ... SO ... I know what your thinking, did he fire 5 or 6 shots? Well do you feel lucky PUNK? Well Do you? ... Yo bitch I got SEVEN
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Dec 22, 2012 16:36:54 GMT -5
Post by brownsphenom on Dec 22, 2012 16:36:54 GMT -5
Flats should move to China where guns are outlawed. Oh shit wait, they just had a guy kill about 20 people with an axe at the entrance to a play ground. They have mass killings with knifes as much as we do with guns. Maybe they should outlaw bladed instruments (like Bobby's hammer example) . Guns are not the problem. And sorry Bobby but armed guards in the school are not the answer and impossible to implement. Guns are not the solution. Correct. Think Maj has shot up a school yet? He is still getting the nerve to talk to some girl
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Post by Voodoochile on Dec 22, 2012 17:50:43 GMT -5
Correct. Think Maj has shot up a school yet? He is still getting the nerve to talk to some girl
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Dec 26, 2012 13:31:56 GMT -5
Post by pterosaur on Dec 26, 2012 13:31:56 GMT -5
Anyone turned on CNN lately? It's brilliant. Every night it's Piers Morgan shouting at Second Amendment supporters for an hour, then Anderson Cooper spends his show interviewing the parents of dead children. The whole time at the bottom there's these little plums coming in on Twitter, stuff like: "I was a lifetime NRA member, but today I tore up my card and destroyed all of my guns. I could have sold them, but I'd hate to think they could eventually end up in the wrong hands." and "For years I defended the Second Amendment, but actions like what happened at Sandy Hook make me think it's time to re-open the discussion." Piers Morgan is a certified, 24 carrot asshole. As I recall, he got his pee-pee well & truly tied in a knot during the Daily Mirror (a trashy Brit tabloid) phone hacking scandal. * So it's a known thing that rights - anybody's rights (except his own, of course) are meaningless to him. With all due respect to the victims, there's one question that's been lost in all the wailing & gnashing of all the talking heads squawking their shrill agendas: Where is the discussion of the mother's responsibility for this mess? She took a couple of slugs to the head, so immediately she became a blameless victim in the context of the media's agenda, but...She had spoken with neighbors and interacted with the school administration on the topic of her kid being at least a half a bubble off. She had tried to keep her private life - including that of her kid - private, which is understandable to a great degree, but it was utterly no secret to the community at large that her kid was suffering from Asperger’s Syndrome *, such that his mental condition was known to be an ongoing issue. She was a well-to-do divorcee, receiving nearly $300k per year in alimony - she didn't fit the stereotypical picture of a struggling single mother. She could afford both home schooling for the kid and a pretty nice arsenal of boom sticks. There's video of her at a local shooting range. Okay, so the question(s) becomes: 1.) At the very least, she knew the kid wasn't right. 2.) She had a collection of potentially very deadly weapons in the house and enough ammo on hand to keep the Zombies at bay when the Walking Dead migrated to Connecticut. 3.) Given the above, what measures had she taken - or not taken - to assure both herself and the rest of the world at-large that her kid couldn't get his whacked-out mitts on them when the Emperor Palpatine voices in the kid's head told Darth Lanza to go pop a couple of caps on mom and then do the bunny hop down to his Alma Mater & wipe out the Younglings? The point is that the issue of personal responsibility is the first concept that went out the window mere nanoseconds after the media latched on to this story & dug in like an Alabama Tick. Did the mother have a gun safe? If not, why didn't she peel off a little of that $300k's worth of yearly cabbage, get one and make damn sure that her wobbly-headed little darling didn't have access to the arsenal. If she couldn't afford one, she had no business keeping weapons in the house that she knew the kid could get access to. Period. I guess that makes too much sense. As has been pointed out millions of times elsewhere, a gun is an inanimate object. Left to its own devices, you can put one on a table and it will sit there and easily stare down the cat. It will sit there for a million years. Until someone picks it up, chambers a round and pulls the trigger. It will sit there until hell freezes over. When the trigger is pulled, it is only performing a function, dictated by the person pulling the trigger. The gun is amoral; it doesn't care. So the key to the situation is the person pulling the trigger - and by extension - the person(s) that screwed the pooch by not securing access to the weapons sufficiently to insure that a person with known mental issues could get at them. Period. So Mom, I'm truly sorry you had to learn that lesson the hard way. But you committed suicide once-removed. And what's worse, your lack of oversight got 25 other people killed. Perhaps for your sake, you had a bit of tragic luck - I surely wouldn't want to have to live with the realization that by omission, I was responsible for that particularly gruesome form of carnage. What's more, the media that now merely lumps you in on a list of tragic victims would have turned on you like the crowd at a Roman Coliseum, turning thumbs down (up, actually in true history, but the point is moot), screaming in all its fury for your head because the media needs a scapegoat and honey, you fit the bill if there ever was one. So maybe you lucked out and your kid did you a twisted sort of favor. Maybe he even knew that and did it on purpose - we'll never know. The tragic lesson that's being lost in all the media-fueled furor is the simple concept of personal responsibility. There is no such thing as an "accident." There is only cause and effect. Any event, good or bad, is only the culmination of a series of causes. Somebody didn't secure access to a collection of deadly weapons. Somebody, whose mental processes were tenuous at best, got access to those weapons and a tragedy ensued. Cause. Effect. We're all responsible for what we do. Good or bad. Freedom isn't free; it comes with a price. The freedom to own weapons comes with the responsibility to safeguard their use. In this case, that chain of responsibility was broken with tragic consequences. But the guns didn't do it. They were no more responsible than the axe or the knife or the IED the kid would have used if he hadn't had easy access to a more efficient tool. Mom screwed up. Mom, and 25 other people paid the price. That's the tragically simple lesson to be learned from this event. And it's going right over people's heads. * - www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/23/piers-morgan-hacking-jeremy-paxman-leveson_n_1539798.html * - www.autism-society.org/about-autism/aspergers-syndrome/
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Post by flats on Dec 26, 2012 14:01:29 GMT -5
A nuclear bomb is also an inanimate object. Not a good idea for every household to have one.
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Dec 26, 2012 14:03:57 GMT -5
Post by pterosaur on Dec 26, 2012 14:03:57 GMT -5
A nuclear bomb is also an inanimate object. Not a good idea for every household to have one. Quite true. But I addressed that issue - if the mother couldn't secure access to the guns, she had no business having them.
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Dec 26, 2012 14:16:39 GMT -5
Post by Voodoochile on Dec 26, 2012 14:16:39 GMT -5
Personal responsibility is nonexistent in this country anymore in just about every facet of life. It's someone else fault. It's video games, it's movies, it's guns etc. Somebody else needs to help pay for my kids, my home, my food, my phone, my education every damn thing.
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Dec 26, 2012 14:25:25 GMT -5
Post by caryncbrownsbacker on Dec 26, 2012 14:25:25 GMT -5
Well said pterosaur Libtards don't believe in personal responsibility. It's in their narrow shallow minds that the government is best for everyone.
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Dec 26, 2012 14:46:26 GMT -5
Post by bobbymo on Dec 26, 2012 14:46:26 GMT -5
Well said pterosaur Libtards don't believe in personal responsibility. It's in their narrow shallow minds that the government is best for everyone. I think hyperbolic terms like "Libtard" are not conducive to a healthy, productive conversation.
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Dec 26, 2012 14:58:15 GMT -5
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