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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2013 10:20:33 GMT -5
Who are you willing to part with in order to gain our biggest necessity in pitching? I used to think I'd be okay trading Cabrera but I think he helps lead the infield - he adds a presence, and I don't want to rush Lindor.
Gomes is an option that you could pair with a minor leaguer to get some kind of a return, but I don't want to let him go. We can't have Santana always behind the plate and I never want to see Lou Marson again.
Who do you send packing? Who do you pick up?
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Post by Diz on Jul 18, 2013 10:25:17 GMT -5
I'm just throwing this out there but why not move Santana? He's cost us a couple games behind the plate and Yan is a true catcher with a hot bat.
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Post by Sigflanagan6 on Jul 18, 2013 10:28:46 GMT -5
Excellent first post. We have a lot of young arms and it will take one of them at least to get a front line starter. Not sure I want to give up Salazar. A guy that has trade value that we overlook is Phelps. He's stuck behind Kipnis, but definitely has value. I just don't want to give up kindle Lindor unless I'm getting Stanton, or a top of the line rotation guy with multiple years of control back.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2013 10:31:34 GMT -5
Because Santana does have some flexibility and with more coaching and consistency he's another hot bat. He's got some growing up to do, and needs a solid kick in the ass every now and then but he can be dangerous if he's focused. I'd give him some more time under Francona - a solid manager - and see if he makes some more changes as a player to become everything he was touted as being.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2013 10:35:25 GMT -5
I'm not giving up Lindor or Salazar. Can't get rid of Lindor because I truly believe Asdrubal won't be here for much longer and Lindor is supposed to be that "next big thing." I liked what I saw with Salazar - granted it's only one start, but I'm interested in seeing how he responds the more chances he gets. I'd really like to see Salazar get called up for long relief so he can get more experience up in the bigs to prepare him for next year.
I'd cough up Phelps no problem. I wish Lou Marson was semi-healthy so we could ship him off.
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Post by TommyDee on Jul 18, 2013 10:36:31 GMT -5
I honestly don't think we need another SP. I mean yeah if you can get me a true ace that's locked up. But that's not an option. I don't overpay for someone like Garza.
IMO, the biggest need on this team is a legit LHP in the pen. Trade partners there can be Colorado or Milwaukee.
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Post by Sigflanagan6 on Jul 18, 2013 10:36:55 GMT -5
I'd give up Carrasco or Zmack for the right deal. We also got the 35th pick in next year's draft, which is a strong trade chip.
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Post by Sigflanagan6 on Jul 18, 2013 10:40:03 GMT -5
I honestly don't think we need another SP. I mean yeah if you can get me a true ace that's locked up. But that's not an option. I don't overpay for someone like Garza. IMO, the biggest need on this team is a legit LHP in the pen. Trade partners there can be Colorado or Milwaukee. I tend to agree with you. If you look back over the last month, even two, the starters have been solid. The bullpen is what's cost us. I also think we need a steady run producing bat. Reynolds going cold as ice has killed the offense.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2013 10:42:23 GMT -5
I don't think we have the luxury of disposable pieces that could gain an ace in a trade. We're a little strapped in the minors department for the most part. Carrasco and ZMac both have great stuff, but also have their issues. ZMac is more dependable at the moment (minus his pesky injury which worries me because of the similarity to Adam Miller). Carrasco could be amazing if he wasn't such a head case. Who do you roll the dice on by sending them off?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2013 10:44:17 GMT -5
I honestly don't think we need another SP. I mean yeah if you can get me a true ace that's locked up. But that's not an option. I don't overpay for someone like Garza. IMO, the biggest need on this team is a legit LHP in the pen. Trade partners there can be Colorado or Milwaukee. I tend to agree with you. If you look back over the last month, even two, the starters have been solid. The bullpen is what's cost us. I also think we need a steady run producing bat. Reynolds going cold as ice has killed the offense. My biggest issue with the SP is the lack of length we get out of them. We could strengthen the bullpen all we want but if all of our starters keep getting knocked out early we'll suck any bullpen dry. Yes the bullpen is my biggest concern, but SP is just behind it.
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Post by Sigflanagan6 on Jul 18, 2013 11:08:47 GMT -5
I don't think we have the luxury of disposable pieces that could gain an ace in a trade. We're a little strapped in the minors department for the most part. Carrasco and ZMac both have great stuff, but also have their issues. ZMac is more dependable at the moment (minus his pesky injury which worries me because of the similarity to Adam Miller). Carrasco could be amazing if he wasn't such a head case. Who do you roll the dice on by sending them off? I'd ship one of them off in a heartbeat. Salazar and Bauer are your aces in the very very near future. Kluber is going to be a solid guy, so I think it makes the other guys somewhat expendable. As for the bullpen, I want to see what CC Lee can bring. A few guys have been quietly solid lately and Allen has shown some stuff. Pestano losing velocity and struggling has hurt this bullpen beyond belief.
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Post by notoriouswojo on Jul 18, 2013 11:29:52 GMT -5
I think I am the only one who thinks there is a chance of screwing the Phillies back for the Lee trade by trading for Lee?
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Post by Sigflanagan6 on Jul 18, 2013 11:38:20 GMT -5
I think I am the only one who thinks there is a chance of screwing the Phillies back for the Lee trade by trading for Lee? That's one trade that I think is completely possible and won't cost an arm and a leg. Who are you giving up?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2013 11:45:37 GMT -5
I think I am the only one who thinks there is a chance of screwing the Phillies back for the Lee trade by trading for Lee? I've read multiple rumors that Indians are on his no-trade list. He does not want to come back here. I don't think we get him.
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Post by notoriouswojo on Jul 18, 2013 11:46:09 GMT -5
I think I am the only one who thinks there is a chance of screwing the Phillies back for the Lee trade by trading for Lee? That's one trade that I think is completely possible and won't cost an arm and a leg. Who are you giving up? Everyone except Lindor? I know that no one is talk about Lee or Stanton for that matter. Lee and Stanton move this team into inner discussion for the next few years. I know Lee is 25mil easy. But I guy that actually might wanna play here? Don't you leverage the debt against the possible gains? I know Shapiro/Antonetti may not have this luxury to even think about but it would be nice....wouldn't it?
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Post by Sigflanagan6 on Jul 18, 2013 11:50:43 GMT -5
There's only one player I give up Lindor for, and that's Stanton. You add that guy right now, and this team is a contender. Makes the entire lineup better, puts guys in their correct order, and I dh him the majority of the time.
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Post by Farringdon on Jul 18, 2013 12:34:51 GMT -5
I'd give up Carrasco or Zmack for the right deal. We also got the 35th pick in next year's draft, which is a strong trade chip. That 35th pick also comes with a $1.5 mil. bonus that would be added to a team's signing pool. Combine this with a Carrasco, Salazar, or Bauer and I think you could end up with someone like Garza or Gallardo. However, I'm not in favor of trading two of our top prospects for a half year rental of Garza.
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Post by Sigflanagan6 on Jul 19, 2013 11:21:29 GMT -5
So word is the Cubs want Lonnie in a trade for Garza. Do you pull the trigger? Tough one for me. Sure you could play Reynolds at 3b, but we've discussed his issues. For this year, I'd be ok with it, but long term that's a lot to give up.
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Post by TommyDee on Jul 19, 2013 12:19:54 GMT -5
Only Lonnie? I don't buy that.
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Post by Farringdon on Jul 19, 2013 12:32:44 GMT -5
They're asking the Rangers for Mike Olt and a low A pitching prospect, it makes sense that they'd want Lonnie from the Tribe.
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Post by Sigflanagan6 on Jul 19, 2013 12:54:51 GMT -5
If it's Lonnie and a low a prospect I do it tomorrow and then move one of our arms for a 3b. There's already talk that ACab would move to third next year for Lindor.
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Post by Diz on Jul 19, 2013 13:00:13 GMT -5
Garza for 4 months or Lonnie until 2018? I think i stick with Lonnie.
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Post by Mikey33 on Jul 19, 2013 13:10:25 GMT -5
If they were winning the division and had a say 5 game lead, or were at least a little closer in the Wild Card chase - maybe.
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Post by TommyDee on Jul 19, 2013 13:54:56 GMT -5
Sounds like the Rangers got him.
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Post by Diz on Jul 19, 2013 13:58:16 GMT -5
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