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Post by Diz on May 29, 2012 8:54:45 GMT -5
Do you want that pick or would you trade it for Dwight Howard? Rumor has it, the Cavs and Lakers are having trade talks with the Magic.
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Post by TommyDee on May 29, 2012 9:15:46 GMT -5
Do you want that pick or would you trade it for Dwight Howard? Rumor has it, the Cavs and Lakers are having trade talks with the Magic. Someone with a source is claiming there are talks but I don't see how it's even possible to land Howard. Varajeo & that pick would be enough? Could that even work $ wise? And where are the Lakers involved here? I think Howard is an asshole just like Lebron. But I'd take him. Odds of it happening are about 3%. |
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Post by Diz on May 29, 2012 9:18:41 GMT -5
The issue i see is that Howard only has one year left on his contract. I'm sure Abderson and the top pick would get it done, but if we can't get him to sign an extension, he will be gone after next season.
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Post by Sigflanagan6 on May 29, 2012 9:31:25 GMT -5
Tommy we don't have to make it work money wise. The Cavs are under the cap quite a bit. Which does give an edge in some ways over other teams. The Cavs can take back a bad contract like Hedu and offer Andy and the #1 in return. Obviously an extension would be worked out before any trade goes down.
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Post by TommyDee on May 29, 2012 9:42:28 GMT -5
Tommy we don't have to make it work money wise. The Cavs are under the cap quite a bit. Which does give an edge in some ways over other teams. The Cavs can take back a bad contract like Hedu and offer Andy and the #1 in return. Obviously an extension would be worked out before any trade goes down. Fair enough. So obviously you have to convince the asshole to play in Cleveland. Odds of that happening? Is Anthony Davis the pick for sure if they win the lottery? |
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Post by Diz on May 29, 2012 9:53:53 GMT -5
I would imagine that would be a safe bet.
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Post by TommyDee on May 29, 2012 9:58:58 GMT -5
Irving & Davis would be a sweet duo to build around. Although he is going to have to bulk up for the NBA.
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Post by Diz on May 29, 2012 10:05:37 GMT -5
If the Cavs land Davis, they can then take a big chance with their second pick in the 1st and draft Fab Melo. He's a WIP but has a huge upside and would be a true center for this team.
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Post by flats on May 29, 2012 11:07:08 GMT -5
Is the rumor that these trade discussions are happening separately, or as a three way deal?
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Post by Diz on May 29, 2012 11:10:01 GMT -5
Separately i believe.
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Post by flats on May 29, 2012 11:16:34 GMT -5
Just Dan being Dan I would guess. I don't think the pick and AV are enough juice. Unless maybe the deal is contingent upon us winning the lotto, and even then I would bet we give up more firsts in later years.
And more importantly, I don't see Howard ever agreeing to a long-term deal in Cleveland.
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Post by Sigflanagan6 on May 29, 2012 14:54:25 GMT -5
Just Dan being Dan I would guess. I don't think the pick and AV are enough juice. Unless maybe the deal is contingent upon us winning the lotto, and even then I would bet we give up more firsts in later years. And more importantly, I don't see Howard ever agreeing to a long-term deal in Cleveland. The pitch is that Irving is the next CP3. The other thing is, Dwight and Lebron don't like each other, at all. Gilbert has a feeling that Irving and the thought of doing something James couldn't do here could be enough to sway him. As for 1sts, they would give up multiple ones. They have 2 in three out of the next five years. Plus they have one from Sacramento, though that's heavily protected. Not to mention the feeling is with Howard and Irving and TT, picking in the lottery won't happen. The biggest chip is taking on the bad contracts. Taking Hedu's contract gives the Magic about $20 million and a potential top 5 pick to rebuild in a hurry. |
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Post by flats on May 29, 2012 16:14:30 GMT -5
The pitch is that Irving is the next CP3. The other thing is, Dwight and Lebron don't like each other, at all. Gilbert has a feeling that Irving and the thought of doing something James couldn't do here could be enough to sway him. As for 1sts, they would give up multiple ones. They have 2 in three out of the next five years. Plus they have one from Sacramento, though that's heavily protected. Not to mention the feeling is with Howard and Irving and TT, picking in the lottery won't happen. The biggest chip is taking on the bad contracts. Taking Hedu's contract gives the Magic about $20 million and a potential top 5 pick to rebuild in a hurry. I guess everything you're saying makes sense (except the bit about TT being a big factor in our rebuild - I think he's a pretty limited player), but it still smells of Clevelander's wishful thinking. Sure, Howard probably thinks LeBron is a dick - I think everyone who's ever met him does - but would that make him want to live in Cleveland over Brooklyn or LA? Irving looks great, but so does Deron Williams. And even with Howard this team would still be desperate for help on the wing. Gilbert himself said it - there are no shortcuts. OKC, the Spurs - it is about hiring coaches who can put a good system into place, and then populating the roster with talented players who can be effective in that system. |
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Post by flats on May 29, 2012 16:24:02 GMT -5
BTW - where does everyone think we end up selecting? The Cavs' odds are as follows:
Cleveland gets first pick: 13.8%
Cleveland gets second pick: 14.3%
Cleveland gets third pick: 14.5%
Cleveland gets fourth pick: 23.8%
Cleveland gets fifth pick: 29.0%
Cleveland gets sixth pick: 4.6%
The conspiracy theorist in me thinks we're gonna get the first overall pick again. I think that was the deal Gilbert cut with Stern to drop his tampering allegations against the league. The rationalist says 5th.
If we pick 1st, we go with the Brow.
2nd, MKG.
3rd, Beal.
4th, 5th, or 6th I think we take Harrison Barnes. Yeah, he had a bad year in college. But the Cavs scouts LOVED the guy last season and were really disappointed when he chose not to come out. I think if you had told them a year ago that they would have Irving and Barnes together in the same backcourt the Cavs would have been ecstatic, so who cares if most drafniks show Barnes slipping - the Cavs showed with the TT pick last year they are willing to trust their scouts.
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Post by Sigflanagan6 on May 29, 2012 17:32:31 GMT -5
I think when it comes to TT the expectations for him are being a solid #3 guy. Think a Horace Grant type guy. Solid D and boards gets you about 12 points a night. Does the dirty things. I know that's what the Cavs loved about him. Loved his wing span and athleticism.
Barnes is perfect for this team, he really is. The other thing, this draft is deep as hell. There are late first round guys who would've been lottery picks the last 3 years.
The Cavs think they can move both seconds to a team in the first up against the luxury tax and pick up another contributor. That's the mindset of this draft. Get a legitimate second star and 2 solid starters/ role players.
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Post by TommyDee on May 29, 2012 18:54:00 GMT -5
I'll guess the Cavs get the 2nd pick and go Kidd-Gilchrist.
I agree they take Barnes if they fall. Hell I might take him at 3.
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Post by Sigflanagan6 on May 29, 2012 19:14:14 GMT -5
If they get the #1, do you want Davis or Howard? I think our chances of the trade happening increase exponentially if that happens.
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Post by TommyDee on May 29, 2012 19:43:24 GMT -5
Howard would be more exciting but Davis makes more sense. Irving, Davis, TT, Andy.... could be a playoff team next year & team to beat in a few. Sounds like Howard route would cash strap team.
And I dont think he would sign with Cleveland anyway.
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Post by Sigflanagan6 on May 29, 2012 20:10:19 GMT -5
I'm not 100% sold on Davis. I know I'm alone here. I'm just not positive how his game translates to the NBA. Can he bang down in the post for 82 games? I guess I worry he might be more Tyson Chandler than anything.
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Post by TommyDee on May 29, 2012 20:19:00 GMT -5
Like I said he needs to bulk up but if nothing else he will be a Marcus Camby type player. His offensive game should continue to improve. He could be a matchup nightmare at PF, he is quick & can get up & down the court.
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Post by flats on May 30, 2012 1:03:46 GMT -5
Davis, AV, and our multiple firsts over the next few years >>>> Howard.
Davis looks like fucking Kareem out there. The clear #1.
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Post by Diz on May 30, 2012 7:40:01 GMT -5
Davis = Tim Duncan! Write that down.
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Post by Sigflanagan6 on May 30, 2012 10:40:27 GMT -5
Davis = Tim Duncan! Write that down. I almost made that comparison but his offensive game has a long way to go. The thing that's interesting about him is the fact he was a guard before his massive growth spurt. He has a handle for sure. |
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Post by flats on May 30, 2012 11:38:15 GMT -5
Davis is just a freak. He's like a giant tarantula on the court - all long limbs and swinging joints darting through the air and snatching rebounds.
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Post by flats on May 30, 2012 19:48:17 GMT -5
Cavs get the 4th selection. Not ideal, but we'll get a good player.
Early breakdown -
NO - will take the Brow.
Bobcats - who the hell knows what Jordan will do? Probably MKG, but no one will be surprised if they turn in a card for Lee Marvin's corpse either.
Wizards - Interesting spot. Most would assume Beal goes third, but how would he fit next to Wall? If they go for size and select Robinson instead, Beal is probably the easy pick for the Cavs.
Cavs - Beal if he's there, otherwise I think the options go Barnes, Robinson, Drummond.
Of course, if the Cavs think Drummond is the real deal he moves to #1 overall, and everything else goes right to hell.
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