Post by flats on Mar 4, 2017 7:58:47 GMT -5
Merry Christmas WTFuckers!!! My half-assed YouTube scouting has been completed for 2017. Ten draft eligible QB's ranked and rated, enjoy.
1: DeShone Kizer, Notre Dame – 6’4”, 233 LBS, 9 7/8 hands. Physically, he's AFCN as fuuuck. Good in the pocket, excellent deep ball. Passes the eye test, but I’m sure the analytics will hate him. Concerned that I don’t see a lot of midrange success, since that’s where an NFL QB’s bread is buttered. More important is the question “at 21 is he already damaged goods?” Has he already been broken the way we always break our QB’s? If he’s a winner why didn’t he win? So with all those questions why’s he my top guy? Because with great coaching he could be great, so this is a bet on Hue Jackson. He’s tantalizing, but I can’t pass on Garrett at #1 for him with so many question marks... but if he's there at 12 I would probably pull the trigger.
2: Mitch Trubisky, UNC – 6’2”, 222, 9 ½ hands. Decent mobility, but his short choppy steps stand out to me as odd. You see it even when he’s running all out. Compact throwing motion. OK arm. Kind of a low release point, but the ball comes out on a high trajectory so I don’t think bat-downs are an issue. Jack of all trades, master of none. Not an ideal AFCN physique but adequate. That pretty much sums up everything about the guy to be honest – not great, but adequate. If they’re in LOVE with him as a person, leader, and competitor I guess go ahead and take him at 12, but I think they could trade back and still get him. He's a guy I see a coach and GM settling for, not pounding the table for.
3: Pat Mahomes, Texas Tech – 6’2” 225, 9 ¼ hands. Canny runner and a gifted passer, he can heave some darts. His throwing motion can be a little long, and his penchant to double-pump it doesn’t help that. Doesn’t seem to have a very regular throwing motion – sometimes it’s over the top, sometimes he sidearms it, sometimes in between depending on what direction he’s running in or where pressure is coming from. This isn’t what I want to see, but I’ll admit it doesn’t seem to hurt his accuracy. He’s got the physical tools, but in the end I don’t trust the guy. Too often his highlights break down into two types – his first read was there and he hit it, or his first read wasn’t there and he scrambled around for 7 seconds, heaved it up over the middle off his back foot and his guy came down with it. That second type of play is a recipe for a sack and a 14 yard loss or an interception in the NFL. He’s clearly behind the top 2 guys for me. I’d consider him at 33 or later depending on who else falls to that spot. I wouldn’t pass on someone I thought could come in and be a solid day 1 starter at another position for this guy. If we can get a Tyrod Taylor or somebody in house before the draft that would make me more inclined to go after a big project like this. I think Dak’s success is getting Mahomes drafted a round ahead of where he otherwise would.
4: Jerod Evans, Virginia Tech – 6’3”, 232, 9 3/8 hands. Like Mahomes and Kizer, this is an upside guy. He’s a load to bring down, thick and squat. Plays physically, with good instincts. Leads his receivers nicely. Dual threat but not scrawny. Arm is good enough to hit those deep opposite-sideline routes – the ball comes out like a firecracker and drops in with touch. He has a harder time on shorter routes, where he seems 100% focused on firing the ball out quickly, throwing it more than passing it. Opposite of Watson – Evans’ accuracy seems to improve as the throws get deeper. I see a lot to work with – if a coach can make his delivery more consistent I'd imagine his accuracy would jump to the next level. I don’t know why Mahomes is getting talked about as a 1st round kind of guy and Jerod Evans is getting talked about in the 7th, because I don’t see an enormous amount of daylight between them. He’d be in the discussion starting at the 52nd pick for me.
5: Nathan Peterman, Pitt – 6’3”, 226 LBS, 9 7/8 hands. Cody Kessler 2.0, both the good and the bad. Big hands, 6’3” and sturdily built. Hue’s staff got to work with him at the Senior Bowl. I really like his game, very poised. His awareness and feel for running an offense are obvious. Cerebral. Moves exceptionally well in the pocket, knowing where pressure is coming from, how long he has until the hit, and how to take a sidestep and buy an extra tenth of a second. Strong in midrange crossing routes. Just has a natural feel for the game. But the arm isn’t there for crisp NFL caliber outs right now. I think he should be getting more pre-draft play than he’s getting. He hits real NFL routes regularly, sets his feet, squares up and delivers. The dude isn’t the most gifted, but he doesn’t make dumb decisions. He looks like a guy who’s ready to walk into a meeting in an NFL QB room and fit in. Pick 65 or later because it's a super weak QB class and there's no one past him I'd feel very hopeful about.
6: DeShaun Watson, Clemson – 6’3”, 221 BS, 9 ¾ hands. Plenty of arm, nice flick of a throwing motion, but his accuracy decreases at an alarming rate as his throws get deeper. Shows touch on short balls, but he really doesn’t make many NFL throws. I don’t think he has the skills to execute Hue’s offense, but maybe Hue could build something around what this guy can do that could be moderately effective? His body type just plain scares me – I don’t see him surviving in the AFCN. I don’t see it working – maaaybe if we’re at pick 65 and we haven’t addressed QB at all yet I could be talked into taking a shot on him, but I’d have real reservations and I doubt he’ll still be there anyway. I don’t know where I see this guy fitting in the NFL now that Chip Kelly is out of the league.
7: Davis Webb, Cal – 6’5”, 229 LBS, 9 ¼ hands. Skiiiiny. Ability, but I don’t see a lot of decision making. Smooth natural throw. Doesn’t respond well to pressure – won’t climb the pocket, backpedals and heaves weak throws. 6th round flyer.
8: Brad Kaaya, Miami – 6’4”, 214 LBS, 9 ¾ hands. Thought I’d like this guy much more than I actually did. Big arm – but he fires it up in a general area and the WR’s go get it. Passes tend to sail on him. Glennon/Weeden/DA type. To be honest I don’t see a place for him on this roster. 6th round flyer.
9: Joshua Dobbs, Tennessee – 6’3”, 216 LBS, 9 ¼ hands. Rail thin. Arm’s ok and legs are ok+, but I don’t see any evidence that he can read a defense at all. Browns had him at the Senior Bowl and word was he progressed through the week, which maybe tells them he’s coachable? If he impressed them face to face maybe we burn a 6th rounder on him, but he’s a poor man’s Watson to me.
10: Sefo Liufau, Colorado – 6’3”, 232, 10 ¾ hands. Only on here because they met with him at the Senior Bowl. He never did much in college. Didn’t do much at the Senior Bowl either. Hue’s on record saying hand size is important to him, and this guy has a pair of catcher’s mitts, so maybe that’s worth something and he’s an undrafted guy they bring in as a camp arm? His arm isn’t any worse than Kevin Hogan’s.
1: DeShone Kizer, Notre Dame – 6’4”, 233 LBS, 9 7/8 hands. Physically, he's AFCN as fuuuck. Good in the pocket, excellent deep ball. Passes the eye test, but I’m sure the analytics will hate him. Concerned that I don’t see a lot of midrange success, since that’s where an NFL QB’s bread is buttered. More important is the question “at 21 is he already damaged goods?” Has he already been broken the way we always break our QB’s? If he’s a winner why didn’t he win? So with all those questions why’s he my top guy? Because with great coaching he could be great, so this is a bet on Hue Jackson. He’s tantalizing, but I can’t pass on Garrett at #1 for him with so many question marks... but if he's there at 12 I would probably pull the trigger.
2: Mitch Trubisky, UNC – 6’2”, 222, 9 ½ hands. Decent mobility, but his short choppy steps stand out to me as odd. You see it even when he’s running all out. Compact throwing motion. OK arm. Kind of a low release point, but the ball comes out on a high trajectory so I don’t think bat-downs are an issue. Jack of all trades, master of none. Not an ideal AFCN physique but adequate. That pretty much sums up everything about the guy to be honest – not great, but adequate. If they’re in LOVE with him as a person, leader, and competitor I guess go ahead and take him at 12, but I think they could trade back and still get him. He's a guy I see a coach and GM settling for, not pounding the table for.
3: Pat Mahomes, Texas Tech – 6’2” 225, 9 ¼ hands. Canny runner and a gifted passer, he can heave some darts. His throwing motion can be a little long, and his penchant to double-pump it doesn’t help that. Doesn’t seem to have a very regular throwing motion – sometimes it’s over the top, sometimes he sidearms it, sometimes in between depending on what direction he’s running in or where pressure is coming from. This isn’t what I want to see, but I’ll admit it doesn’t seem to hurt his accuracy. He’s got the physical tools, but in the end I don’t trust the guy. Too often his highlights break down into two types – his first read was there and he hit it, or his first read wasn’t there and he scrambled around for 7 seconds, heaved it up over the middle off his back foot and his guy came down with it. That second type of play is a recipe for a sack and a 14 yard loss or an interception in the NFL. He’s clearly behind the top 2 guys for me. I’d consider him at 33 or later depending on who else falls to that spot. I wouldn’t pass on someone I thought could come in and be a solid day 1 starter at another position for this guy. If we can get a Tyrod Taylor or somebody in house before the draft that would make me more inclined to go after a big project like this. I think Dak’s success is getting Mahomes drafted a round ahead of where he otherwise would.
4: Jerod Evans, Virginia Tech – 6’3”, 232, 9 3/8 hands. Like Mahomes and Kizer, this is an upside guy. He’s a load to bring down, thick and squat. Plays physically, with good instincts. Leads his receivers nicely. Dual threat but not scrawny. Arm is good enough to hit those deep opposite-sideline routes – the ball comes out like a firecracker and drops in with touch. He has a harder time on shorter routes, where he seems 100% focused on firing the ball out quickly, throwing it more than passing it. Opposite of Watson – Evans’ accuracy seems to improve as the throws get deeper. I see a lot to work with – if a coach can make his delivery more consistent I'd imagine his accuracy would jump to the next level. I don’t know why Mahomes is getting talked about as a 1st round kind of guy and Jerod Evans is getting talked about in the 7th, because I don’t see an enormous amount of daylight between them. He’d be in the discussion starting at the 52nd pick for me.
5: Nathan Peterman, Pitt – 6’3”, 226 LBS, 9 7/8 hands. Cody Kessler 2.0, both the good and the bad. Big hands, 6’3” and sturdily built. Hue’s staff got to work with him at the Senior Bowl. I really like his game, very poised. His awareness and feel for running an offense are obvious. Cerebral. Moves exceptionally well in the pocket, knowing where pressure is coming from, how long he has until the hit, and how to take a sidestep and buy an extra tenth of a second. Strong in midrange crossing routes. Just has a natural feel for the game. But the arm isn’t there for crisp NFL caliber outs right now. I think he should be getting more pre-draft play than he’s getting. He hits real NFL routes regularly, sets his feet, squares up and delivers. The dude isn’t the most gifted, but he doesn’t make dumb decisions. He looks like a guy who’s ready to walk into a meeting in an NFL QB room and fit in. Pick 65 or later because it's a super weak QB class and there's no one past him I'd feel very hopeful about.
6: DeShaun Watson, Clemson – 6’3”, 221 BS, 9 ¾ hands. Plenty of arm, nice flick of a throwing motion, but his accuracy decreases at an alarming rate as his throws get deeper. Shows touch on short balls, but he really doesn’t make many NFL throws. I don’t think he has the skills to execute Hue’s offense, but maybe Hue could build something around what this guy can do that could be moderately effective? His body type just plain scares me – I don’t see him surviving in the AFCN. I don’t see it working – maaaybe if we’re at pick 65 and we haven’t addressed QB at all yet I could be talked into taking a shot on him, but I’d have real reservations and I doubt he’ll still be there anyway. I don’t know where I see this guy fitting in the NFL now that Chip Kelly is out of the league.
7: Davis Webb, Cal – 6’5”, 229 LBS, 9 ¼ hands. Skiiiiny. Ability, but I don’t see a lot of decision making. Smooth natural throw. Doesn’t respond well to pressure – won’t climb the pocket, backpedals and heaves weak throws. 6th round flyer.
8: Brad Kaaya, Miami – 6’4”, 214 LBS, 9 ¾ hands. Thought I’d like this guy much more than I actually did. Big arm – but he fires it up in a general area and the WR’s go get it. Passes tend to sail on him. Glennon/Weeden/DA type. To be honest I don’t see a place for him on this roster. 6th round flyer.
9: Joshua Dobbs, Tennessee – 6’3”, 216 LBS, 9 ¼ hands. Rail thin. Arm’s ok and legs are ok+, but I don’t see any evidence that he can read a defense at all. Browns had him at the Senior Bowl and word was he progressed through the week, which maybe tells them he’s coachable? If he impressed them face to face maybe we burn a 6th rounder on him, but he’s a poor man’s Watson to me.
10: Sefo Liufau, Colorado – 6’3”, 232, 10 ¾ hands. Only on here because they met with him at the Senior Bowl. He never did much in college. Didn’t do much at the Senior Bowl either. Hue’s on record saying hand size is important to him, and this guy has a pair of catcher’s mitts, so maybe that’s worth something and he’s an undrafted guy they bring in as a camp arm? His arm isn’t any worse than Kevin Hogan’s.