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Post by flats on Mar 31, 2012 14:21:40 GMT -5
Flats you can have your opinion. The point is the news job is to report the news. Not give us their opinion. Right on. My take is what it is - just the opinion of some dude on the internet. I agree with most in here that the media is way too focused on race being the driving force behind this killing. I see a lot more evidence that Zimmerman is just a belligerent hothead than a racist. Look at the guy's history: In 2005 Zimmerman is arrested for assaulting a police officer. In the same year he was fired from his security guard gig "for being too aggressive with patrons. 'He had a temper and he became a liability,' the newspaper quoted the former co-worker as saying. 'One time this woman was acting a little out of control. She was drunk. George lost his cool and totally overreacted,' he said. 'It was weird, because he was such a cool guy, but he got all nuts. He picked her up and threw her. It was pure rage.'"He had a restraining order filed against him by his ex-fiance after multiple domestic violence incidents. There was a weird road rage type incident: In September 2003, Zimmerman called police and reported that another motorist spat on him, according to reports, Zimmerman followed the man in his car until the police arrived. Daniel Osmun, the other driver, told police that Zimmerman was tailgating and that he spit his gum out the window "out of frustration." Osum said that Zimmerman then pulled alongside of him, and the two argued. In a police report of the incident, Osum said “at one point, he thought Mr. Zimmerman was going to attack him." No charges were filed against either man.And the Trayvon Martin killing wasn't the first time he had issues in his role as self-appointed head of the neighborhood watch: Some of Zimmerman’s neighbors said he had a history of being overly aggressive and followed people whom he thought appeared suspicious back to their homes... “It was also made known that there had been several complaints about George Zimmerman and his tactics" in his neighborhood watch role.I don't see evidence that he's a racist, but I do see evidence that he's a bully who looks for trouble and instigates confrontations. So if I had to lay down 10 grand on who was at fault in this situation, put my chips on Zimmerman. www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/30/trayvon-martin-case-george-zimmerman_n_1392591.html
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Post by Voodoochile on Mar 31, 2012 14:34:50 GMT -5
Yep & and why called him an idiot earlier in this thread. That in it self is not enough to convict him though. Our legal system was set up the way it is for a reason.
Sharpton, Jackson, the media etc are no better than the Klan was lynching blacks in the past.
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Post by flats on Mar 31, 2012 14:39:41 GMT -5
I'm not on any jury. I can take what evidence there is and draw reasonable conclusions. We've got one 911 call leading up to the killing, where Zimmerman sounded like a guy who was agitated and looking for trouble, and acted against police advice. We've got another 911 call of the actual killing, where the person screaming "help" sounds like a kid, not an adult. We've got video of Zimmerman being brought into the police station after he says he got his head pounded into the curb repeatedly and his nose broken, but there's not a scratch on him and not a drop of blood down the front of his face or shirt, which seems unlikely if he had just broke his nose 8 minutes before. I say he's a hothead who lost his shit when a punk kid saw through his John Shaft routine to what was really there - a loudmouth wannabe. Not even a Barney Fife, just Goober screaming "citizen's arrest!" making a nuisance and an ass out of himself. Flats in no way is that reasonable..... This would have been more reasonable and less driven like the media hype run-a-muck I'm not on any jury. I can take what evidence there is and draw reasonable conclusions. We've got one 911 call leading up to the killing, where Zimmerman acted against police advice. We've got another 911 call of the actual killing, where the person screaming sounds like a kid, not an adult. We've got a very bad quality video of Zimmerman being brought into the police station after he says he got his head pounded into the curb repeatedly and his nose broken, but you can't see a scratch on him and nor blood on the front of his face or shirt, which seems unlikely if he had just broke his nose 8 minutes before. Doesn't seem to add up yet. Let the facts come out.And that's the original source of the outrage. The facts weren't going to come out despite things not adding up, because the investigation had been abandoned in it's infancy. Even if Zimmerman is as innocent as Shirley fucking Temple, the idea that a case where an armed individual kills an unarmed individual never even seeing the inside of a court is a fucking joke. Even if it's just a day for evidence to be presented and the judge to dismiss the case and clear Zimmerman's name, the incident deserves more serious attention than it got. If Zimmerman is innocent, he deserves the kind of clear vindication that a thorough and legitimate examination of the evidence and a public hearing would provide. This "stand your ground" law results in a lack of transparency that harms everyone involved.
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Post by flats on Mar 31, 2012 14:53:35 GMT -5
Yep & and why called him an idiot earlier in this thread. That in it self is not enough to convict him though. Our legal system was set up the way it is for a reason. Sharpton, Jackson, the media etc are no better than the Klan was lynching blacks in the past. 1. None of us here can convict this guy. We're just talking about an interesting case and what we think about it. You can refrain from judgement if you want, but with all due respect, my reaction to that is to kind of roll my eyes a bit. Like if someone tells me they don't know if OJ did it or not and won't speculate. Well, ok, but you gotta have an opinion, Marvin. 2. Not a fan of either of those guys, but to my knowledge they have not personally hung innocents to death, or blown up any churches full of little girls. I would say they are more comparable to other intellectually dishonest blowhards who line their pockets by stirring up hard feelings and preaching nonsense like Father Charles Coughlin or Rush.
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Post by Voodoochile on Mar 31, 2012 15:06:25 GMT -5
We all have our differences flats. Yeah I thought OJ was guilty but you gotta admit that was a completely different type of case. It was his ex or estranged wife (I don't recall) & she & her boy friend were brutally murdered in a pretty obviously planned out manner. This was more of a heat of the moment case & unless you or I were there we are really not sure what exactly went down. If Zimmerman is dirty I hope he pays the highest price for it. I really do.
You are also correct in S & H not blowing up churches & kids etc but they do work up the black community to the point where racism will continue to exist & actually worsen.
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Post by acejack on Mar 31, 2012 17:44:57 GMT -5
"Leave us out of this!"
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Post by flats on Mar 31, 2012 19:55:42 GMT -5
Canadians are worse at rock and roll than the French.
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Post by Voodoochile on Apr 1, 2012 8:02:57 GMT -5
Canadians are worse at rock and roll than the French. Hey, they brought us these guys Oh wait. I see what you mean.
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Post by Voodoochile on Apr 11, 2012 18:05:02 GMT -5
There you go. Give the system time to work & it will. Zimmerman is for now under lock & key.
I just hope like hell they have enough to make it stick. I have a bad feeling if he walks it will make the Rodney King shit look like a walk in the park.
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Post by flats on Apr 11, 2012 18:30:57 GMT -5
Shit, anything is possible in Florida. Look at Casey Anthony.
I think the odds are pretty high that he walks. How do you get a jury of non-meatheads who don't know anything about this case by now? How is any physical evidence not seriously questionable, considering the police didn't do any kind of real investigation for weeks?
BTW - the dude on the left in that picture of Rush looks like Beau Bridges.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2012 18:44:21 GMT -5
If Zimmerman is acquitted ...
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Post by Voodoochile on Apr 11, 2012 18:58:11 GMT -5
Shit, anything is possible in Florida. Look at Casey Anthony. I think the odds are pretty high that he walks. How do you get a jury of non-meatheads who don't know anything about this case by now? How is any physical evidence not seriously questionable, considering the police didn't do any kind of real investigation for weeks? BTW - the dude on the left in that picture of Rush looks like Beau Bridges. Let's take race out of this for a second. Remember Richard Jewell and the Olympic bombing in Atlanta? The press was ready to string him up in no time & even had law officials thinking the same way at one point because they were lost at that point. Then piece by piece Eric Rudolph started to emerge. Sometimes this shit takes time to work out. Who says the PD in Florida wasn't working this case? The media? Fuck me. Just because they weren't holding daily press conferences about it doesn't mean they weren't working it. Yeah I may be wrong but I'm not going to jump to conclusions because the media tells me something looks fishy. I will be first in line to tell you there is a lot of shit fucked up with this country these days but I also know there are systems in place that work if you let them work they way they were designed to work.
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Post by Voodoochile on Apr 11, 2012 19:01:27 GMT -5
BTW - the dude on the left in that picture of Rush looks like Beau Bridges. Not enough eyebrows to look like Beau Bridges.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2012 19:15:03 GMT -5
Ultimately I believe that justice will prevail. I also think there will be massive social unrest if Zimmerman is acquitted.
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Post by Voodoochile on Apr 11, 2012 19:18:21 GMT -5
Ultimately I believe that justice will prevail. I also think there will be massive social unrest if Zimmerman is acquitted. No shit there Javvy. But hey, we could all think like Mike Tyson. It's a disgrace that man hasn't been dragged out of his house and tied to a car and taken away. Forget about him being arrested—the fact that he hasn't been shot yet is a disgrace. That's how I feel personally about it.
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Post by TommyDee on Apr 11, 2012 19:40:59 GMT -5
Hear me out.
Zimmerman says hey kid what are you up to?
Kid ignores him. Puts up hoody.
Zimmerman follows him and asks again.
Fuck off you asshole spic.
I just want to know what you are up to?
Kid turns around and attacks.
Put yourself in the shoes of getting your ass beat and tell yourself there is no way you pull the trigger.
Is this what happened? Fuck I don't know. Should Zimmerman have followed him? Or had a gun on neighborhood watch? Probably not to both.
But if my story could have happened, and you can't prove otherwise?
Then in America you walk.
Let the riots begin.
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Post by bobbymo on Apr 11, 2012 19:57:56 GMT -5
I agree, Tommy. I think it really comes down to did Trayvon attack him. If he did, Zimmerman is ok to shoot. According to Zimmerman's story and witnesses, this is what happened.
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Post by acejack on Apr 11, 2012 20:11:14 GMT -5
I just want black people everywhere to be aware that Zimmerman is Hispanic, not Caucasian.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2012 20:29:42 GMT -5
I just want black people everywhere to be aware that Zimmerman is Hispanic, not Caucasian. Don't black people hate Hispanics? Or is that Koreans?
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Post by BrownstotheBone on Apr 11, 2012 20:35:42 GMT -5
Hear me out. Zimmerman says hey kid what are you up to? Kid ignores him. Puts up hoody. Zimmerman follows him and asks again. Fuck off you asshole spic. I just want to know what you are up to? Kid turns around and attacks. Put yourself in the shoes of getting your ass beat and tell yourself there is no way you pull the trigger. Is this what happened? Fuck I don't know. Should Zimmerman have followed him? Or had a gun on neighborhood watch? Probably not to both. But if my story could have happened, and you can't prove otherwise? Then in America you walk. Let the riots begin. I agree with you for the most part, but be careful what you wish for. I was living in Los Angeles during the riots and it was about as wacky as it gets. You don't want that. But hey, justice is justice. O.J. got off because Rodney King got beat up by a bunch of stupid cops that were found not guilty in Simi Valley of all places.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2012 20:49:29 GMT -5
What I don't get about black people is that when they get riled up -- they burn up their own shit. It crosses oceans -- and eras. Rwanda in the 90's, Rodney King, Hough Avenue, Mississippi, Newark etc. It doesn't matter what sets them off -- they just burn each others shit and steal from each other (and the poor Koreans that run groceries in their neighborhoods).
Why not take a roadie and burn down Hinckley?
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Post by TommyDee on Apr 11, 2012 21:05:10 GMT -5
BttB - I don't want riots. My comment more meant they are coming with what I think will be the verdict.
I think it's ridiculous there are people even in an uproar over this. If this happened in my neighborhood with a white on white? I'd have to tell you about it, not Good Morning America.
The day people stop with the protests on racial shit is the day this country gets a lot closer to stop looking at people's color.
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Post by Sigflanagan6 on Apr 11, 2012 22:55:51 GMT -5
Amazing how much Tommy and I agree on non football issues. What keeps racism alive is the people complaining about racism. White people kill white people. Black people kill black people. Asians karate chop Asians. You never really here nationally about it. The second though it's white on black, or black male on white female, Dateline and 20/20 are on it, and people are picketing. When is it just going to be two humans hurting each other? Damn shame.
And lets be honest, racism makes no sense. I went to a private school, had one black guy in my school. Everyone was shocked and stunned when they found out he played soccer and not football and basketball. There was 6 of us that were pretty much inseparable, he was one of them. We went to this church festival in Louisville, which is the most racist town I've ever been in. So we are walking to this festival, and some douche has the balls to say, "hey Jamal (not his name) I think you are confused about where you should be." I took exception and stuck up for my buddy. "He's confused? Motherfucker you drove up here in a dodge fucking neon with all eyes on me decal on the windshield pumping Tupac with your 12's in your trunk, wearing a White Sox jersey and hat, and he's fucking confused?" As I was asking him where the fuck we should go, that was when a bunch of parents came up and made him leave. That was probably one of 6 times in my life where I went from whatever to I want to play the drums with this kids head in a second. Ignorant bastards.
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Post by flats on Apr 12, 2012 0:02:30 GMT -5
^ So to sum up, Sig thinks what keeps racism alive is people complaining about racism.
Then he writes an essay about this one time he saw racism, and stood up and complained about it.
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Post by flats on Apr 12, 2012 0:43:24 GMT -5
Hear me out. Zimmerman says hey kid what are you up to? Kid ignores him. Puts up hoody. Zimmerman follows him and asks again. Fuck off you asshole spic. I just want to know what you are up to? Kid turns around and attacks. Put yourself in the shoes of getting your ass beat and tell yourself there is no way you pull the trigger. You're 17 years old, walking home one day. There's some middle aged dude slowly cruising along behind you in a car. Seems to be eyeballing you. He parks his car, gets out, and is now clearly following you. He makes up ground, starts trying to talk to you. "Hey, where you going? You live around here?" You pull up your hoodie, tell him to get lost. Now the pedophile looking creep puts a hand on your shoulder, gets louder, more pushy... Is there no way you take a swing at this dude?
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