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Post by TommyDee on Aug 18, 2011 9:19:27 GMT -5
Believe that to be different. They juiced. People know it. Did Thome? If so, never came out. Think he might be too much of a doofus, country boy to do steroids. That's nothing more than an opinion. I bet he juiced. There. That's my opinion. It's all or none, you can't just pick and choose.
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Post by jfcohio on Aug 18, 2011 9:22:08 GMT -5
Believe that to be different. They juiced. People know it. Did Thome? If so, never came out. Think he might be too much of a doofus, country boy to do steroids. That's nothing more than an opinion. I bet he juiced. There. That's my opinion. It's all or none, you can't just pick and choose. It's been PROVEN Bonds & Sosa used steroids. Who has ever said Thome used them? Doesn't look that much different to me - other than he's gained some weight - which about 95% of people do as they get older. Know it's Bleacher, but still decent article: bleacherreport.com/articles/804060-jim-thomes-legacy-will-be-overshadowed-by-steroids-era
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Post by Mikey33 on Aug 18, 2011 9:36:35 GMT -5
Believe that to be different. They juiced. People know it. Did Thome? If so, never came out. Think he might be too much of a doofus, country boy to do steroids. That's the lamest argument I've ever heard. Few things to keep in mind: his listed weight his rookie year was 200lbs. Now granted he was young and due to fill out some on his own, BUT later on he was listed at 248. I met him several times and he DWARFED me, no joke his forearms looked like my legs and I am a legit 255lbs. He had to be closer to 280lbs. I mean look at him now vs his rookie year: I don't know how much you know about bulking but it's not something you can do while playing baseball 180 days a year, nor something you can do in the offseason and not watch the results fade during the season. So it hasn't been proven. Why is that? He's the nice guy, and no one wants to be the guy that says it. It's much easier to focus on the assholes like Bonds, Sosa, and Lance - although Lance has never been proven either.
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Post by Diz on Aug 18, 2011 9:39:33 GMT -5
You can bulk quick when you are skinny as fuck and start getting older. trust me. I've gained 30 pounds in the last 8 months and i haven't been trying. If i would start lifting and getting in shape, i guarantee i could put another 10 on in 2 months.
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Post by Mikey33 on Aug 18, 2011 9:41:16 GMT -5
You can bulk quick when you are skinny as fuck and start getting older. trust me. I've gained 30 pounds in the last 8 months and i haven't been trying. If i would start lifting and getting in shape, i guarantee i could put another 10 on in 2 months. I'm sorry, bulking usually refers to muscle not fat Diz, should have specified.
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Post by TommyDee on Aug 18, 2011 9:44:03 GMT -5
You mean to tell me Thome didn't bulk up by eating and drinking at the bar everynight like diz?
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Post by Diz on Aug 18, 2011 9:51:10 GMT -5
You can bulk quick when you are skinny as fuck and start getting older. trust me. I've gained 30 pounds in the last 8 months and i haven't been trying. If i would start lifting and getting in shape, i guarantee i could put another 10 on in 2 months. I'm sorry, bulking usually refers to muscle not fat Diz, should have specified. Ummm, there really isn't any fat on my body bud. The point is, when your metabolism finally starts to slow down, it's not hard to turn new fat tissue into muscle. Take it as what you want. I'm not going to argue. I don't work out, i never really have, so i don't really know or care to know anything about the process. I'm just telling you, from personal experience that it can happen.
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Post by Diz on Aug 18, 2011 9:53:27 GMT -5
You mean to tell me Thome didn't bulk up by eating and drinking at the bar everynight like diz? Diz has slowed down on the drinking at bars and has started eating two real meals a day instead of drinking his dinner and eating Mcdonalds for lunch and a bag of potatoe chips when he got hungry at night.
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Post by TommyDee on Aug 18, 2011 9:57:51 GMT -5
Good to hear kid.
I lost some weight over the last year, probably from not drinking as much.
I actually wouldn't mind putting on some lbs again. Healthy lbs.
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Post by sirpaul on Aug 18, 2011 10:03:37 GMT -5
Tommy my bad on the BA I misread it, it was .250 his last year. But I still wouldn't vote him into the Hall.
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Post by Mikey33 on Aug 18, 2011 10:41:47 GMT -5
I'm sorry, bulking usually refers to muscle not fat Diz, should have specified. Ummm, there really isn't any fat on my body bud. The point is, when your metabolism finally starts to slow down, it's not hard to turn new fat tissue into muscle. Take it as what you want. I'm not going to argue. I don't work out, i never really have, so i don't really know or care to know anything about the process. I'm just telling you, from personal experience that it can happen. I don't disagree that you can fairly easily pack muscle on, but not at the rate that Thome did. I will say that I highly HIGHLY doubt that your recent weight gain is muscle. Just because you can't see the fat, doesn't mean it's not there.
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Post by Diz on Aug 18, 2011 12:01:32 GMT -5
Ummm, there really isn't any fat on my body bud. The point is, when your metabolism finally starts to slow down, it's not hard to turn new fat tissue into muscle. Take it as what you want. I'm not going to argue. I don't work out, i never really have, so i don't really know or care to know anything about the process. I'm just telling you, from personal experience that it can happen. I don't disagree that you can fairly easily pack muscle on, but not at the rate that Thome did. I will say that I highly HIGHLY doubt that your recent weight gain is muscle. Just because you can't see the fat, doesn't mean it's not there. Yah i'm not saying its muscle, i do how ever think that if i decided to work out, it wouldn't be hard to convert what little fat i have into muscle. Capisce.
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Post by sirpaul on Aug 18, 2011 12:58:25 GMT -5
Speaking of which some dude just became the first guy in baseball to get popped for HGH.
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Post by TommyDee on Aug 18, 2011 13:13:52 GMT -5
I bet Thome was on HGH.
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Post by jfcohio on Aug 18, 2011 13:14:38 GMT -5
Believe that to be different. They juiced. People know it. Did Thome? If so, never came out. Think he might be too much of a doofus, country boy to do steroids. That's the lamest argument I've ever heard. Few things to keep in mind: his listed weight his rookie year was 200lbs. Now granted he was young and due to fill out some on his own, BUT later on he was listed at 248. I met him several times and he DWARFED me, no joke his forearms looked like my legs and I am a legit 255lbs. He had to be closer to 280lbs. I mean look at him now vs his rookie year: I don't know how much you know about bulking but it's not something you can do while playing baseball 180 days a year, nor something you can do in the offseason and not watch the results fade during the season. So it hasn't been proven. Why is that? He's the nice guy, and no one wants to be the guy that says it. It's much easier to focus on the assholes like Bonds, Sosa, and Lance - although Lance has never been proven either. Yes, the doofus country boy thing IS an opinion. BUT, where are ANY FACTS that Thome has done steroids? Who has every said he did/has? No one. Proven with both Sosa and Bonds. Didn't A-rod also say he did not long ago? People have said Lance did. Even own team members if remember correctly. The t cancer deal doesn't help his case much either - could be coincidence - but guessing not. The ole smoke there's fire deal goes the other way around too. There has been NO smoke.
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Post by Mikey33 on Aug 18, 2011 14:33:45 GMT -5
The smoke for Thome is the ridiculous change his body went through in his 20's. He accomplished a change in body composition elite lifters may never achieve WHILE playing baseball almost every night for 6 months a year.
One of the key components in growing muscle is proper rest, something baseball players don't have the luxury of. Ever see shows about prison? They can get jacked in solitary confinement cause they rest for 23 hrs a day.
No the general public may not think he did, but if within circles of people familiar with lifting and PEDs it is a foregone conclusion.
PS - the people that have accused Lance of using PEDs have all either tested positive themselves, come clean about using, or happened to be pushing a recent book...
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Post by Diz on Aug 18, 2011 14:36:05 GMT -5
The bottom line is Bond's, McGuire and such got caught, fuck em! Thome didn't, salute him.
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Post by TommyDee on Aug 18, 2011 14:45:58 GMT -5
Will do.
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Post by Diz on Aug 18, 2011 14:48:13 GMT -5
real fucking mature tommy
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Post by Diz on Aug 25, 2011 8:01:28 GMT -5
I know the tribe put in a claim for Thome, but i think the White Sox did too. Should know today.
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Post by sirpaul on Aug 25, 2011 8:49:02 GMT -5
Word is the Sox did it to keep the Tribe from getting him. Way to help out Detroit fuck nuts.
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Post by sirpaul on Aug 25, 2011 13:08:11 GMT -5
Tribe awarded Thome has to work out a deal by friday since he has no trade clause. If he refuses to come back to CTown he may equal LBJ has second most hated sports figure in city.
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Post by TommyDee on Aug 25, 2011 13:21:33 GMT -5
Will we have to tear the jersey off his back after the season?
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Post by sirpaul on Aug 25, 2011 13:34:39 GMT -5
My money is on him coming back and tearing it up. Hows that for optimitic
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Post by TommyDee on Aug 25, 2011 13:37:29 GMT -5
And they catch Detroit, make the playoffs, win it all, and Thome is MVP. He retires as Cleveland's hero.
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