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Post by TommyDee on Feb 28, 2012 15:47:13 GMT -5
And he was a rookie.
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Post by Mikey33 on Feb 28, 2012 15:48:38 GMT -5
Doesn't matter, Skins are getting him - they're pulling out of the Manning race and concentrating on RG3.
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Post by Mikey33 on Feb 28, 2012 15:49:13 GMT -5
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Post by Sigflanagan6 on Feb 28, 2012 15:54:05 GMT -5
Well according to both teams offers, we have the better deal. And we haven't included #22.
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Post by TommyDee on Feb 28, 2012 15:56:28 GMT -5
and he got worse as the year went on What are you after mikey? A Super Bowl next year? A playoff appearance? It's going to take a rookie QB a couple years of taking lumps. Who cares. If he has the skill set, the brains, and drive, he is the most important piece to the puzzle in any sport. |
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Post by Voodoochile on Feb 28, 2012 15:57:47 GMT -5
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Post by Diz on Feb 28, 2012 16:02:43 GMT -5
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Post by Diz on Feb 28, 2012 16:04:16 GMT -5
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Post by TommyDee on Feb 28, 2012 16:59:15 GMT -5
thebiglead.com/index.php/2012/02/28/what-is-the-rams-second-overall-pick-really-worth-not-nearly-as-much-as-the-rams-want/CLEVELAND BROWNS (4th overall pick) Using Draft Value Chart, Rams would want: EVERY PICK IN THIS YEAR’S DRAFT PLUS 2013 2ND ROUND Using Career Value, Rams should get: THE 4TH OVERALL PICK (1st ROUND) AND THE 36TH OVERALL PICK (2nd ROUND) WASHINGTON REDSKINS (6th overall pick) Using Draft Value Chart, Rams would want: EVERY PICK IN THIS YEAR’S DRAFT PLUS 2013 1ST ROUND Using Career Value, Rams should get: THE 6TH OVERALL PICK (1st ROUND) THE 38TH OVERALL PICK (2nd ROUND), AND 6TH ROUND PICK MIAMI DOLPHINS (8th overall pick) Using Draft Value Chart, Rams would want: EVERY PICK IN THIS YEAR’S DRAFT PLUS 2013 1ST AND 2ND ROUND Using Career Value, Rams should get: THE 8TH OVERALL PICK (1st ROUND) THE 40TH OVERALL PICK (2nd ROUND), AND 4TH ROUND PICK [WITH ST. LOUIS GIVING UP ITS 7TH ROUND PICK ALSO] KANSAS CITY CHIEFS (11th overall pick) Using Draft Value Chart, Rams would want: EVERY PICK IN THIS YEAR’S DRAFT PLUS 2013 1ST AND 2ND ROUND PLUS 2014 1ST ROUND Using Career Value, Rams should get: THE 11TH OVERALL PICK (1st ROUND) AND THE 43RD OVERALL PICK (2nd ROUND) AND THE 75TH OVERALL PICK (3RD ROUND)
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Post by TommyDee on Feb 28, 2012 17:01:18 GMT -5
And in response to the above, I'll say what I've said 20 times since the rumor came out of what it will take to get RGIII.
They are rumors & it's only February.
The cost to get RGIII might not be that insane.
And the Redskins might fall in love with someone else - see Tannehill.
Or the Dolphins fall in love with Tannehill after the Skins sign both Manning & Wayne.
Let the insanity begin.....
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Post by BrownstotheBone on Feb 28, 2012 17:29:05 GMT -5
Tommy. Always the voice of reason.
Oh, and I agree. Of course. Again.. ...
eta: I agree about the speculation part BUT , I firmly believe Dan Snyder will mortgage the Redskin's future or "Ditka" if needed.
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Post by Sigflanagan6 on Feb 28, 2012 17:33:33 GMT -5
The thing that's key here is every team likes two guys but not the same two. Miami likes Manning and Flynn. Washington likes Manning and RGIII. Cleveland likes Flynn and RGIII. It will shake out. The biggest loser in all of this is probably Flynn. Neither Washington or Miami are going to do a thing till the dust settles on Manning. I think the Browns will wait till the dust settles before doing anything drastic. The only team in a rush right now is St. Louis. They have very little cap room to begin with, they need to have the deal in place before the new league year or else it gets very complicated for them. Wish I could explain that better.
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Post by BrownstotheBone on Feb 28, 2012 17:44:05 GMT -5
Makes sense to me. I like it. More stuff happening to feed my inquiring mind during the duldrums.
eta: this is shaping up to be one of the better offseasons in a while.
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Post by Voodoochile on Feb 28, 2012 17:51:21 GMT -5
Makes sense to me. I like it. More stuff happening to feed my inquiring mind during the duldrums. eta: this is shaping up to be one of the better offseasons in a while. Well after last off season they owed it to us  |
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Post by brownsphenom on Feb 29, 2012 0:47:43 GMT -5
Without knowing about FA, I hate this draft.
WTF Browns, with this offense and they don't address the biggest problem in the first round...A BIG WTF
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Post by Mikey33 on Feb 29, 2012 10:37:03 GMT -5
The thing that's key here is every team likes two guys but not the same two. Miami likes Manning and Flynn. Washington likes Manning and RGIII. Cleveland likes Flynn and RGIII. It will shake out. The biggest loser in all of this is probably Flynn. Neither Washington or Miami are going to do a thing till the dust settles on Manning. I think the Browns will wait till the dust settles before doing anything drastic. The only team in a rush right now is St. Louis. They have very little cap room to begin with, they need to have the deal in place before the new league year or else it gets very complicated for them. Wish I could explain that better. From what I've heard - Shannahan is not interested in Manning, and Peyton is not interested in Miami. Seattle may be a darkhorse for Manning. |
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Post by TommyDee on Feb 29, 2012 10:50:06 GMT -5
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Post by Mikey33 on Feb 29, 2012 10:56:23 GMT -5
I don't care if he can draw a play from memory. I don't think he can execute that play as drawn on the field. I don't think he can read that D when he's at the line and make the necessary adjustments. |
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Post by tsaw on Feb 29, 2012 11:01:08 GMT -5
thebiglead.com/index.php/2012/02/28/what-is-the-rams-second-overall-pick-really-worth-not-nearly-as-much-as-the-rams-want/CLEVELAND BROWNS (4th overall pick) Using Draft Value Chart, Rams would want: EVERY PICK IN THIS YEAR’S DRAFT PLUS 2013 2ND ROUND Using Career Value, Rams should get: THE 4TH OVERALL PICK (1st ROUND) AND THE 36TH OVERALL PICK (2nd ROUND) WASHINGTON REDSKINS (6th overall pick) Using Draft Value Chart, Rams would want: EVERY PICK IN THIS YEAR’S DRAFT PLUS 2013 1ST ROUND Using Career Value, Rams should get: THE 6TH OVERALL PICK (1st ROUND) THE 38TH OVERALL PICK (2nd ROUND), AND 6TH ROUND PICK MIAMI DOLPHINS (8th overall pick) Using Draft Value Chart, Rams would want: EVERY PICK IN THIS YEAR’S DRAFT PLUS 2013 1ST AND 2ND ROUND Using Career Value, Rams should get: THE 8TH OVERALL PICK (1st ROUND) THE 40TH OVERALL PICK (2nd ROUND), AND 4TH ROUND PICK [WITH ST. LOUIS GIVING UP ITS 7TH ROUND PICK ALSO] KANSAS CITY CHIEFS (11th overall pick) Using Draft Value Chart, Rams would want: EVERY PICK IN THIS YEAR’S DRAFT PLUS 2013 1ST AND 2ND ROUND PLUS 2014 1ST ROUND Using Career Value, Rams should get: THE 11TH OVERALL PICK (1st ROUND) AND THE 43RD OVERALL PICK (2nd ROUND) AND THE 75TH OVERALL PICK (3RD ROUND) Good article. Glad to see football types are joining the Moneyball-analytic revolution. I saw an ESPN Mag study last year that found teams are almost always better trading down in the NFL draft and up in the NBA draft. (*I still think the exception is for a QB). Two issues: I think the traditional draft chart has the No. 2 value equaling No. 4 and No. 22 pick value. Not the entire draft. Secondly: their research is an aggregate study of all players drafted with the second overall pick and looking at their career values etc. QBs have more value so the value should in a trade should be greater. |
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Post by Mikey33 on Feb 29, 2012 11:01:49 GMT -5
for those with short memories - Quinn could draw a lot of plays on the whiteboard. But he couldn't execute them on the field. Now Quinn relied too heavily on the checkdown and didn't go downfield. I think Griffin will rely too much on rolling and going deep downfield - as he even said, with no safety over the top, he would be looking for Wright over the top. That's got him where he is, but I don't think it will translate to the pros. Teams will start taking that away over the top and running contain on him to keep him from rolling out. Make him sit in the pocket and scan.
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Post by brownsphenom on Feb 29, 2012 11:06:15 GMT -5
Mikey that is the same thing I thought when I saw RGIII drawing the play. But...Griff is 3x the athlete Quinn was/is. I would love to have a QB with Quinns smarts and work ethic with RGIII's skills, which is what I believe RGIII is. I really starting to jump on the RGIII train. Not at the asking price that is being thrown around lately though.
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Post by TommyDee on Feb 29, 2012 11:07:33 GMT -5
I don't care if he can draw a play from memory. I don't think he can execute that play as drawn on the field. I don't think he can read that D when he's at the line and make the necessary adjustments. mikey, you have admitted you have watched RGIII play TWICE. I know the Youtube highlights mostly show him throwing bombs or scrambling instead of him making reads (they are called highlights for a reason) but I just don't understand how you are against every reasonable analyst out there w/ this kid. He reads the D. He makes progressions. He is very smart. He is very accurate. Comparing him to guys like Quinn, who had questionable arm strength & accuracy makes little sense. |
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Post by tsaw on Feb 29, 2012 11:12:11 GMT -5
for those with short memories - Quinn could draw a lot of plays on the whiteboard. But he couldn't execute them on the field. Now Quinn relied too heavily on the checkdown and didn't go downfield. I think Griffin will rely too much on rolling and going deep downfield - as he even said, with no safety over the top, he would be looking for Wright over the top. That's got him where he is, but I don't think it will translate to the pros. Teams will start taking that away over the top and running contain on him to keep him from rolling out. Make him sit in the pocket and scan. Can defenses really contain Vick/ARod/Newton/Big Ben types? In theory it's great but when you're dealing with elite athletes they tend to get out of the pocket at will and make plays. And this is where RG3 will make a killing in combination with his arm strength and accuracy. I agree RGIII has not yet proven he can navigate a pocket and anticipate throws. This is the big question. Can this be learned or is it innate? I think he has shown signs of willingness to wait in the pocket and take contact. The good news is with elite arm strength the margin for error increases and the need to anticipate perfectly decreases. At the end of the day I'm not willing to put limits on a player with this much intelligence, work ethic, athletic ability and throwing strength. Sky is the limit. |
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Post by Mikey33 on Feb 29, 2012 11:14:17 GMT -5
I don't care if he can draw a play from memory. I don't think he can execute that play as drawn on the field. I don't think he can read that D when he's at the line and make the necessary adjustments. mikey, you have admitted you have watched RGIII play TWICE. I know the Youtube highlights mostly show him throwing bombs or scrambling instead of him making reads (they are called highlights for a reason) but I just don't understand how you are against every reasonable analyst out there w/ this kid. He reads the D. He makes progressions. He is very smart. He is very accurate. Comparing him to guys like Quinn, who had questionable arm strength & accuracy makes little sense. Tommy I've made a point to watch as much of him as I can. But here's a bigger thing - no one mentions it as a strength. If they mention reading defenses, making progressions at all it's that he does need to work on it as he did not do it enough in college. I think the media is hyping this kid cause he's easy to like. But I see holes in his game. I don't see him as the type of guy Heckert and Holmgren are looking for. |
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Post by TommyDee on Feb 29, 2012 11:18:51 GMT -5
There is no question he needs to work on it. He is not perfect, how many QBs coming out are? But to just make it sound like he is a take a snap guy and either throw deep or scramble is an unfair assessment.
I'll put it this way. Would you rather take an athletic, mobile, freak of an athlete who has a gun for an arm and is very accurate who also is very smart and show him how to read defenses?
Or try to teach a kid who comes from a pro style WCO offense who makes more progressions to learn how to throw the ball with more zip and more accurately?
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