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Post by flats on Jul 21, 2017 16:08:45 GMT -5
This situation sucks. Only way it's good is if we managed to turn Kyrie into Giannis or Russ maybe. But odds are the best we'll get back will be a young guy with potential but question marks like Wiggins or Jabari Parker.
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Post by TommyDee on Jul 21, 2017 17:11:44 GMT -5
Straight up for his rival John Wall.
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Post by TommyDee on Jul 21, 2017 21:41:12 GMT -5
The best part about all this is the human jinx Dizz standing up for Gilbert all offseason & now this.
Dizz, any chance you want to go work in the Oakland area?
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Post by flats on Jul 22, 2017 0:32:24 GMT -5
It seems absolutely nuts to me. But this is the guy who says the earth is flat, so it's not like the craziness is brand new.
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Post by flats on Jul 22, 2017 0:37:03 GMT -5
Straight up for his rival John Wall. I'd rather send him west if we can. And I'd rather get a wing back than a point guard since LeBron carries so much of the PG load. Lakers would make a lot of sense. Let LeBron stay here and play with Lonzo. Let Kyrie go be Kobe like he always wanted. Discourage LeBron from California dreaming next year.
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Post by flats on Jul 22, 2017 0:40:33 GMT -5
Main thing is for the Cavs not to panic. He's a 25 year old superstar under contract at a cheap price for multiple years. No need to take pennies on the dollar here. If others play hardball, wait it out.
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Post by Voodoochile on Jul 22, 2017 11:15:39 GMT -5
Man I'm glad I'm not a die hard basketball/Cavs fan as I am the Browns. One dumpster fire is enough.
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Post by TommyDee on Jul 22, 2017 11:32:32 GMT -5
Man I'm glad I'm not a die hard basketball/Cavs fan as I am the Browns. One dumpster fire is enough. Honestly no matter what happens... even if they lose all these guys and become the worst team in the league, June 19th 2016 is something they can never take away from us Cleveland fans. I will never forget that night.
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Post by Voodoochile on Jul 22, 2017 11:41:27 GMT -5
Man I'm glad I'm not a die hard basketball/Cavs fan as I am the Browns. One dumpster fire is enough. Honestly no matter what happens... even if they lose all these guys and become the worst team in the league, June 19th 2016 is something they can never take away from us Cleveland fans. I will never forget that night. Can't disagree there. Yes I was alive when the Browns won their last championship but I was only a year old.
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Post by flats on Jul 22, 2017 11:54:00 GMT -5
Yup.
I wonder how much of that night plays in to this decision for Kyrie. Kyrie made the winning shot, one of the most clutch moments of all time, but all anyone talks about is LeBron's block. I guess I can see how that could bother him. But it's hard to imagine being that mad about LeBron's shadow, to say you want to go play for the Knicks. For the goddamn Dolans? Insane.
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Post by flats on Jul 22, 2017 11:54:39 GMT -5
Cavs are naming Koby Altman as the GM, and promoting the head of the Canton D-lague team to assistant GM.
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Post by TommyDee on Jul 22, 2017 13:21:33 GMT -5
Yup. I wonder how much of that night plays in to this decision for Kyrie. Kyrie made the winning shot, one of the most clutch moments of all time, but all anyone talks about is LeBron's block. I guess I can see how that could bother him. But it's hard to imagine being that mad about LeBron's shadow, to say you want to go play for the Knicks. For the goddamn Dolans? Insane. I actually just tweeted something very similar without seeing this first. I think this could be the answer. Didn't he say something along those lines in the Windy book? Like after wards he was with his Dad and his Dad said what's wrong and he said he's waiting for someone to tell him something about what he did? In his mind Lebron probably gets all the credit while to him, he hit the game winner. It makes sense. But he should learn to win without Lebron and get his plus/minus up before wanting to lead his own team.
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Post by TommyDee on Jul 22, 2017 13:26:08 GMT -5
I guess I'll get to find this out soon: PG's are just plain limited. Look at Allen Iverson and Chris Paul - 0 rings between them. PGs can't win regular season games on their own? I get that you need more around you to win it all, and Kyrie has done that. And obviously had a big piece of that title with the game winner. But the way he took over last night, why can't he do that more often? Does he lack some confidence to do it on his own? Nobody is denying he is a killer with the game on the line.
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Post by flats on Jul 22, 2017 14:31:24 GMT -5
Cavs three options, in my order of preference:
1: Kobe scenario - talk him down, keep him, win some more rings with him.
2: Go young - swap him (and maybe Shump or whoever) for a gifted young wing and a competent guy to run point. Giannis and Delly sort of deal.
3: Go old - swap him for a vet with a big name. Lamarcus Aldridge + pieces kind of deal.
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Post by flats on Jul 22, 2017 14:34:31 GMT -5
Of course they could also go with option #4: Full Retard. This would be a Kyrie for Melo kind of deal.
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Post by Voodoochile on Jul 22, 2017 15:08:37 GMT -5
Training camp can't get here soon enough.
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Post by TommyDee on Jul 22, 2017 15:37:07 GMT -5
Cavs three options, in my order of preference: 1: Kobe scenario - talk him down, keep him, win some more rings with him. 2: Go young - swap him (and maybe Shump or whoever) for a gifted young wing and a competent guy to run point. Giannis and Delly sort of deal. 3: Go old - swap him for a vet with a big name. Lamarcus Aldridge + pieces kind of deal. There is no way you are getting Giannis. IMO he is the best player in the NBA in about 2 years.
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Post by BrownstotheBone on Jul 22, 2017 15:56:42 GMT -5
Training camp can't get here soon enough. Careful what you wish for. ;-)
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Post by Voodoochile on Jul 22, 2017 16:11:12 GMT -5
Training camp can't get here soon enough. Careful what you wish for. ;-) I know. After I posted that the first thing I thought of was Bentley.
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Post by flats on Jul 22, 2017 16:19:55 GMT -5
Cavs three options, in my order of preference: 1: Kobe scenario - talk him down, keep him, win some more rings with him. 2: Go young - swap him (and maybe Shump or whoever) for a gifted young wing and a competent guy to run point. Giannis and Delly sort of deal. 3: Go old - swap him for a vet with a big name. Lamarcus Aldridge + pieces kind of deal. There is no way you are getting Giannis. IMO he is the best player in the NBA in about 2 years. I know. Just an example of the sort of positions/styles we're after. Length on the wing. Demar DeRozan is doable for Kyrie and a trade exception, but I think we'd need to find a third team to get involved because that deal leaves the Raptors roster pretty unbalanced.
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Post by BrownstotheBone on Jul 23, 2017 13:39:51 GMT -5
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Post by flats on Jul 24, 2017 9:01:14 GMT -5
Rose is meeting with the Cavs now. I'd guess we either announce he's a Cav today, or he'll be a Laker.
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Post by TommyDee on Jul 24, 2017 9:09:06 GMT -5
Rose is meeting with the Cavs now. I'd guess we either announce he's a Cav today, or he'll be a Laker. I can't imagine he's not signing here if he didn't sign in LA already. Money must not be all that different. I guess the only other thing is the role. Maybe he wants to know if Kyrie will be here or not.
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Post by TommyDee on Jul 24, 2017 9:19:00 GMT -5
flats, would you trade Kyrie to the Wolves for Wiggins and a draft pick? Then sign Rose?
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Post by flats on Jul 24, 2017 10:55:32 GMT -5
I'd not be thrilled about it. But if Kyrie's gone full retard and that's the best offer... what else can you do?
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