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Post by TommyDee on Sept 29, 2015 10:03:37 GMT -5
I like Goff so you move him to the top of the list, shocking.
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Post by Diz on Sept 29, 2015 10:07:06 GMT -5
I like Goff so you move him to the top of the list, shocking. I know, i never mess around. It's obvious that that post is 100% serious.
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Post by Diz on Sept 29, 2015 10:07:09 GMT -5
Serious dizz.
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Post by Mikey33 on Sept 29, 2015 10:32:11 GMT -5
you're not allowed to agree with him period, specifically regarding QBs
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Post by flats on Sept 29, 2015 15:03:49 GMT -5
Dizz seems a little obsessed with Tommy.
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Post by Diz on Sept 29, 2015 15:07:20 GMT -5
Dizz seems a little obsessed with Tommy. No, tommy is obsessed with tommy.
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Post by TommyDee on Sept 29, 2015 15:10:55 GMT -5
Way to prove his point.
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Post by BrownstotheBone on Sept 29, 2015 20:06:54 GMT -5
Diz thinks this is a bunch of tommyrot.
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Post by TommyDee on Sept 30, 2015 7:54:58 GMT -5
for those of us not following closely - can you add a projected draft slot to this list? Like "top five" "late first" etc These are my rankings and then it's where they would likely go today. Then a little info. 1. Goff - top 5. If he puts on weight he's trending towards the #1 pick. 2. Cook - top 15. Again he's the most pro ready. Not flashy, maybe not a ton of upside. But day 1 could start. 3. Kessler - early 2nd-early 3rd. 1 bad game & he is dropping from here. His accuracy is the only reason he's here. 4. Brissett - 3rd. I'm higher than most on him because I see a smarter Cardale. But he's raw too. 5. Cardale - end of the 1st-mid of the 3rd. The great unknown. With his attributes he could go top 5 but he's not playing well. Could shoot up list. 6. Hackenberg - top of the 2nd-mid 2nd. Showed last week why so many scouts love him. Big w/ a big arm. Could move up with more games like that. 7. Kiel - 3rd. Between the shoulder and that nasty concussion he might not play for a bit so his stock could drop. 8. Hogan - 4th. Big kid in a pro style offense that could be just above a game manager. But he's in a walking boot now. 9. Wentz - 4th. The token small school kid. Honestly who knows, scouts like him. 10. Dobbs - 4th-5th. A raw gamble. Looks great at times and terrible at times.
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Post by Mikey33 on Sept 30, 2015 10:07:51 GMT -5
so with Cook - who was a similar prospect in terms of pro-ready but not a tone of upside?
Where would you rank Towles? Is he someone like Bortles - not a lot of press this early on, but has prototypical size and could move up a lot with a good year? He is not exactly surrounded by talent at Kentucky.
I wish Myles Jack hadn't gotten hurt, that was gonna be my guy this year.
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Post by Diz on Sept 30, 2015 10:21:23 GMT -5
pENNINGTON
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Post by TommyDee on Sept 30, 2015 10:57:33 GMT -5
so with Cook - who was a similar prospect in terms of pro-ready but not a tone of upside Maybe a player like Carson Palmer or Philip Rivers would be his max potential. A few great seasons, but never been elite or able to get over the hump. I could see him climbing into the top 5 or so like they did too. And anyone would take that but that's if everything works.
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Post by Diz on Sept 30, 2015 11:02:38 GMT -5
so with Cook - who was a similar prospect in terms of pro-ready but not a tone of upside Maybe a player like Carson Palmer or Philip Rivers would be his max potential. A few great seasons, but never been elite or able to get over the hump. I could see him climbing into the top 5 or so like they did too. And anyone would take that but that's if everything works. His arm is no where close to either of those guys especially Rivers so I don't see the comparison but you're the QB guru so who am I to disagree.
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Post by Mikey33 on Sept 30, 2015 11:05:04 GMT -5
so with Cook - who was a similar prospect in terms of pro-ready but not a tone of upside Maybe a player like Carson Palmer or Philip Rivers would be his max potential. A few great seasons, but never been elite or able to get over the hump. I could see him climbing into the top 5 or so like they did too. And anyone would take that but that's if everything works. I don't know if I would classify either of those players that way. Palmer was elite before his injury and that is a lot given the Bengals immediately before and the beginning of his career. Rivers...he has had some years where he was pretty much elite, he has also had some down years as well. I would take either of those immediately if you could guarantee that is what Cook will turn out to.
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Post by Diz on Sept 30, 2015 11:12:23 GMT -5
Think Andy Dalton.
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Post by Diz on Sept 30, 2015 11:12:50 GMT -5
with better accuracy.
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Post by TommyDee on Sept 30, 2015 11:38:55 GMT -5
Maybe a player like Carson Palmer or Philip Rivers would be his max potential. A few great seasons, but never been elite or able to get over the hump. I could see him climbing into the top 5 or so like they did too. And anyone would take that but that's if everything works. His arm is no where close to either of those guys especially Rivers so I don't see the comparison but you're the QB guru so who am I to disagree. Rivers has never been ranked as having one of the strongest arms, coming out or now. Either way, the point is Cook can make any throw on the field necessary. I don't think I said he has the same exact arm strength as either. None of that matters as long as you can make all the necessary throws which all three can. If we were just going off arm strength though Jamarcus Russell would be an all time great.
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Post by TommyDee on Sept 30, 2015 11:40:42 GMT -5
Maybe a player like Carson Palmer or Philip Rivers would be his max potential. A few great seasons, but never been elite or able to get over the hump. I could see him climbing into the top 5 or so like they did too. And anyone would take that but that's if everything works. I don't know if I would classify either of those players that way. Palmer was elite before his injury and that is a lot given the Bengals immediately before and the beginning of his career. Rivers...he has had some years where he was pretty much elite, he has also had some down years as well. I would take either of those immediately if you could guarantee that is what Cook will turn out to. I don't want to get into the whole elite, franchise, great, good debate here but I was saying at the max that's probably the type of level Cook could reach. Not the best, but a good QB for years. And yes, we would all take that.
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Post by TommyDee on Sept 30, 2015 11:44:28 GMT -5
As for Towles mikey, he could move into the conversation since I don't really love the bottom of that top 10. I think for his sake another year would do him good though. Accuracy issues in a simple offense are concerning.
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Post by Mikey33 on Sept 30, 2015 11:44:26 GMT -5
Fair enough
Rivers would definitely fall into franchise but not elite.
But I do think Palmer was elite prior to his injury.
Just sayin
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Post by TommyDee on Sept 30, 2015 11:49:42 GMT -5
Fair enough Rivers would definitely fall into franchise but not elite. But I do think Palmer was elite prior to his injury. Just sayin Cook could be a franchise QB. Has all the attributes and is smart. Too bad it's not a science though or it would always work out.
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Post by TommyDee on Oct 5, 2015 7:46:15 GMT -5
The Browns best chance at relevance is going 1-15 and getting Goff. They'll win just enough to miss out on him. Cook played okay. Kessler played good but I don't see a franchise QB. The rest of this class is starting to look beyond iffy. Cardale? Yikes bro, you should have come out.
At least the Buckeyes survived the weekend. Many teams didn't.
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Post by Diz on Oct 5, 2015 7:53:51 GMT -5
The Browns best chance at relevance is going 1-15 and getting Goff. They'll win just enough to miss out on him. Cook played okay. Kessler played good but I don't see a franchise QB. The rest of this class is starting to look beyond iffy. Cardale? Yikes bro, you should have come out. At least the Buckeyes survived the weekend. Many teams didn't. We don't need Goff. Johnny will be the guy by the end of the year. We need some play makers to accent his skills.
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Post by Diz on Oct 5, 2015 7:54:06 GMT -5
I'm still drumnk.
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Post by TommyDee on Oct 5, 2015 8:02:05 GMT -5
Johnny probably won't even start another game this year. Pettine is going to try and save his job and if McCown played like he did, he won't make the move.
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