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Post by sirpaul on Aug 29, 2011 15:10:01 GMT -5
I did the math
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Post by sirpaul on Aug 29, 2011 15:30:58 GMT -5
It's 10-7 fuck head.
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Post by TommyDee on Aug 29, 2011 15:36:39 GMT -5
Shin-Soo Choo, Travis Hafner, Asdrubal Cabrera and Grady Sizemore have been in the starting lineup together 17 times Not just going off your 10-7 lists but let's be honest: -Sizemore is now just a guy that never reached his potential and is injury prone. -Hafner is pretty much a doubles hitting DH, who is injury prone. -Choo has had a horrible year & might not be on this team past next year. Asdrubal is the face of the franchise going forward in my opinion. He's the leader. He's the one that gets in guys faces that need that. Personally I think he, Kipnis, Brantley & Santana are the 4 guys that are the keys to this window in the next few years. And obviously the starting pitchers need to stay healthy.
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Post by sirpaul on Aug 29, 2011 15:39:19 GMT -5
I don't disagree with your assessment Tommy but lets face it if those 4 would have stayed healthy at the production (which was low) this year this is a 100 win team.
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Post by TommyDee on Aug 29, 2011 15:45:45 GMT -5
You are missing what I'm saying. If you are getting the Sizemore and Hafner of the past? Sure they would have been great. But those guys are gone. Even without the injuries, those guys are just not what they once were or what they were supposed to be.
Case in point? I think Kipnis injury hurts more than Sizemore or Hafner.
Not sure what happened to Choo. Just never got it going this year.
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Post by sirpaul on Aug 29, 2011 15:52:59 GMT -5
No I get what you are saying. What i'm saying is that with all 4 in the lineup this year it was a 90+ win team. At this years production. At previous years production and health this team is a favorite to win it all. But at this point Kipnis is a bigger injury going forward.
As far as Choo who the hell knows...same goes for Santana.
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Post by TommyDee on Aug 29, 2011 16:03:04 GMT -5
The only question now is who is going to be the closest on the initial record guesses?
32 games remain and hell I think I have a better shot to be being closer with 72 than Paul's 94.
They have 65 wins right now.
ace has 82. Good shot.
diz has 79. Good shot.
bobby has a good range of 72-81
INF has them at 68.
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Post by sirpaul on Aug 29, 2011 16:06:23 GMT -5
Always fun to have an article written www.foxsportsohio.com/08/29/11/Of-injuries-injuries-and-more-injuries/landing_beside_the_point.html?blockID=555616Presently they are on pace to win 81 or 82 games with the problems with three-quarters of the quarter (at least Cabrera has been reliable). It's not at all unreasonable to think that if the missing three played together in half the games they missed, the Indians might make up half the difference in wins. Which would put them at 88 wins at season's end, and would have them challenging Detroit much more closely for the division. I know, whining about injuries is lame. But for whatever reason I give the Indians a lot more slack on overcoming injuries than I do the Browns. In the NFL, every team works in the same financial system. The salary cap is the great equalizer. In baseball, the disparity is so vast it's ridiculous. Unless you think that the Yankees having an opening day payroll ($202 million) that is more than the five lowest teams combined (Kansas City, Tampa Bay, Pittsburgh, San Diego, Cleveland) makes sense and is equitable.
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Post by sirpaul on Aug 29, 2011 16:06:53 GMT -5
I think it will land somewhere between me and ace
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Post by sirpaul on Aug 30, 2011 0:34:44 GMT -5
This is the best pitching staff i've ever seen on this bad of a hitting team. That includes us just having 2 Cy Young winners in the past 5 or so years.
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Post by TommyDee on Aug 30, 2011 7:22:52 GMT -5
Relax Paul. There are 30 teams in MLB. The Indians are #19 in team ERA.
(they are also #19 in team batting avg)
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Post by sirpaul on Aug 31, 2011 9:23:03 GMT -5
A good effort by Gomez..totally missed that they sent LaPorta down. Man has he been disappointing.
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Post by brett on Aug 31, 2011 17:30:02 GMT -5
I hope LaPorta is gone for good, but I suspect that's not the case.
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Post by sirpaul on Sept 1, 2011 23:45:52 GMT -5
3 of 4 vs. OaK can't hate that series.
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Post by sirpaul on Sept 7, 2011 19:36:38 GMT -5
I think maybe they are out of it ;D
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Post by TommyDee on Sept 7, 2011 19:40:18 GMT -5
You can get rid of that Magic Number thing. I think you put it up a LITTLE early this year Paul.
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Post by sirpaul on Sept 7, 2011 20:59:20 GMT -5
Nope it's going down with the ship and we'll watch it all offseason
Until the NBA lockout ends..ok nevermind we have another year of baseball before that happens.
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Post by TommyDee on Sept 28, 2011 8:07:40 GMT -5
They need to win tonight to finish at .500
Better than most thought but very disappointing considering where they were a few months back.
Looks like ace was the closest on the predictions.
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Post by Sigflanagan6 on Sept 28, 2011 8:39:11 GMT -5
They didn't have the depth to overcome all the injuries. The fact they finish around .500 with all the injuries is amazing. Think about it, SS is the only position that didn't have the regular season starter spend significant time on the DL.
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Post by TommyDee on Sept 28, 2011 8:50:06 GMT -5
Yep, the injuries were too much. And I still think the biggest injury when it happened was Kipnis. The kid was playing lights out and they were right there. A week later they got swept by Detroit and that was it.
I look forward to a full year of him. Next year could be pretty damn fun.
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